1 00:00:36,270 --> 00:00:13,030 [Music] 2 00:00:38,670 --> 00:00:36,280 hello and welcome to the show I'm Martin 3 00:00:41,430 --> 00:00:38,680 Willis your host and we have a great 4 00:00:42,930 --> 00:00:41,440 show for you this evening and we'll be 5 00:00:45,570 --> 00:00:42,940 talking about that in just a second I 6 00:00:47,850 --> 00:00:45,580 want to thank everyone that supports the 7 00:00:50,250 --> 00:00:47,860 show I do appreciate that 8 00:00:53,430 --> 00:00:50,260 and at informations over at podcast UFO 9 00:00:55,770 --> 00:00:53,440 we also have a patreon page you can 10 00:00:57,660 --> 00:00:55,780 check out too and the shows are can 11 00:01:00,990 --> 00:00:57,670 actually access shows through patreon 12 00:01:03,270 --> 00:01:01,000 through their RSS feed if you support 13 00:01:05,550 --> 00:01:03,280 the show the full shows that is so if 14 00:01:08,940 --> 00:01:05,560 you head over to podcast UFO comm we 15 00:01:11,850 --> 00:01:08,950 have by a great demand a new merchandise 16 00:01:14,550 --> 00:01:11,860 store we just opened it up this morning 17 00:01:16,890 --> 00:01:14,560 it's right there on the menu bar we have 18 00:01:20,490 --> 00:01:16,900 t-shirts pullovers tank tops hoodies 19 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:20,500 pillows shower curtains even and this 20 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:22,450 was all with the wonderful graphic that 21 00:01:27,810 --> 00:01:25,690 Dianne cash made I think two or three 22 00:01:30,450 --> 00:01:27,820 years ago for t-shirts actually it was 23 00:01:33,390 --> 00:01:30,460 she won the first prize in the t-shirt 24 00:01:35,690 --> 00:01:33,400 graphics contest that I did so it's a 25 00:01:39,350 --> 00:01:35,700 great graphics it's a basically a 26 00:01:42,450 --> 00:01:39,360 triangle UFO and a beautiful night sky 27 00:01:43,470 --> 00:01:42,460 looks almost like a milky way going 28 00:01:45,810 --> 00:01:43,480 through there and then you see this 29 00:01:48,210 --> 00:01:45,820 triangle UFO like I said with a single 30 00:01:50,790 --> 00:01:48,220 person looking down I think pointing up 31 00:01:53,670 --> 00:01:50,800 or something like that wonderful graphic 32 00:01:57,030 --> 00:01:53,680 so check that out now if you go into the 33 00:02:00,210 --> 00:01:57,040 show notes or under this show whether 34 00:02:04,020 --> 00:02:00,220 it's on youtube or on my website or even 35 00:02:07,110 --> 00:02:04,030 in your media player you will see a link 36 00:02:09,089 --> 00:02:07,120 to where the merchandise store is also 37 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:09,099 there is a code that's good for two 38 00:02:14,369 --> 00:02:12,010 weeks just in time for Christmas I'm not 39 00:02:16,619 --> 00:02:14,379 going to say the code it's too long but 40 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:16,629 the code is included also in the show 41 00:02:22,559 --> 00:02:20,290 notes and in the show itself text so 42 00:02:25,050 --> 00:02:22,569 it's all right there it's 20% off for 43 00:02:26,369 --> 00:02:25,060 two weeks and the prices are very 44 00:02:28,229 --> 00:02:26,379 reasonable it's not like these are 45 00:02:31,260 --> 00:02:28,239 expensive in any type of way they're 46 00:02:34,020 --> 00:02:31,270 just regular t-shirt price that you see 47 00:02:35,339 --> 00:02:34,030 out there I forgot to announce last week 48 00:02:39,209 --> 00:02:35,349 we had 49 00:02:42,479 --> 00:02:39,219 a blog called UFOs and astronauts a very 50 00:02:45,750 --> 00:02:42,489 well-written very informational and this 51 00:02:49,170 --> 00:02:45,760 week we have UFOs over Scotland so if 52 00:02:52,319 --> 00:02:49,180 you are new to this whole topic there's 53 00:02:54,479 --> 00:02:52,329 a great amount of information in these 54 00:02:57,839 --> 00:02:54,489 weekly blogs so check that out again 55 00:03:00,209 --> 00:02:57,849 over at podcast UFO comm and I want to 56 00:03:01,740 --> 00:03:00,219 thank Charles Lear for doing a great job 57 00:03:05,159 --> 00:03:01,750 with those 58 00:03:07,860 --> 00:03:05,169 I repeat guest tonight he's also a 59 00:03:10,589 --> 00:03:07,870 personal friend and he's gonna be 60 00:03:12,780 --> 00:03:10,599 joining us in just one minute here chris 61 00:03:16,199 --> 00:03:12,790 Lambright chris has worked extensively 62 00:03:18,330 --> 00:03:16,209 in computer technology and Internet 63 00:03:21,479 --> 00:03:18,340 services and has a background in graphic 64 00:03:23,369 --> 00:03:21,489 arts illustrations CGI and holds a 65 00:03:24,209 --> 00:03:23,379 degree in psychology from Baylor 66 00:03:26,369 --> 00:03:24,219 University 67 00:03:28,530 --> 00:03:26,379 he's a former investigator for the 68 00:03:31,640 --> 00:03:28,540 center of UFO studies and a Caribbean 69 00:03:34,229 --> 00:03:31,650 tributed to the computer UFO network and 70 00:03:35,459 --> 00:03:34,239 he's also a licensed private 71 00:03:36,929 --> 00:03:35,469 investigator 72 00:03:37,860 --> 00:03:36,939 he likes to investigate things and 73 00:03:40,649 --> 00:03:37,870 that's we're going to be talking about 74 00:03:42,780 --> 00:03:40,659 tonight currently lives in in Austin 75 00:03:46,860 --> 00:03:42,790 Texas what we're going to be talking 76 00:03:50,839 --> 00:03:46,870 about tonight is the US Navy its 77 00:03:54,749 --> 00:03:50,849 relation to UFOs including the UF USS 78 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:54,759 Nimitz UFO encounter Bigelow airspace 79 00:04:00,499 --> 00:03:57,370 and the connection between the US 80 00:04:04,979 --> 00:04:00,509 government and T TSA all that good stuff 81 00:04:07,710 --> 00:04:04,989 Chris has written a paper on this and on 82 00:04:13,229 --> 00:04:07,720 my website you will see a PDF currently 83 00:04:16,740 --> 00:04:13,239 there's the links in the in the PDF are 84 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:16,750 not active they will be by actually by 85 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:18,849 tomorrow so maybe by the time most of 86 00:04:22,620 --> 00:04:19,930 the people are listening to the show 87 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:22,630 those links will be active because the 88 00:04:30,420 --> 00:04:26,289 links instead of doing like a summary 89 00:04:32,700 --> 00:04:30,430 with or footnotes a lot of things that 90 00:04:34,770 --> 00:04:32,710 Chris is talking about is linked live 91 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:34,780 link so you can go right to those to 92 00:04:38,870 --> 00:04:36,610 reference them welcome to the show Chris 93 00:04:41,339 --> 00:04:38,880 always good talking hey Martin 94 00:04:44,430 --> 00:04:41,349 nice to see you again how are you good 95 00:04:46,769 --> 00:04:44,440 good you know it I've made a few friends 96 00:04:48,580 --> 00:04:46,779 along the way doing the show and I 97 00:04:50,740 --> 00:04:48,590 consider you a good one 98 00:04:54,690 --> 00:04:50,750 we've gone I can't remember the first 99 00:04:58,750 --> 00:04:54,700 time you listen goes way back it's like 100 00:05:02,140 --> 00:04:58,760 12 or I had heard you on coast to coast 101 00:05:03,940 --> 00:05:02,150 I think it back in 2012 and I contacted 102 00:05:05,980 --> 00:05:03,950 you or gracious enough to come on and 103 00:05:07,740 --> 00:05:05,990 we've been basically in touch ever since 104 00:05:10,330 --> 00:05:07,750 we talked on the phone a lot and it's 105 00:05:14,280 --> 00:05:10,340 it's been it's been good and we have a 106 00:05:16,540 --> 00:05:14,290 mutual friend race Stanford always 107 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:16,550 interesting talking to him and the 108 00:05:22,870 --> 00:05:19,610 things that he has done we supporting 109 00:05:24,250 --> 00:05:22,880 him and it's an amazing world that he's 110 00:05:27,730 --> 00:05:24,260 in isn't it I mean what he's uncovered 111 00:05:29,650 --> 00:05:27,740 in the dinosaur world is just a talk to 112 00:05:31,840 --> 00:05:29,660 him this morning and he had a close call 113 00:05:33,580 --> 00:05:31,850 last week it was almost all over he told 114 00:05:35,110 --> 00:05:33,590 me about a car accident somebody ran a 115 00:05:37,750 --> 00:05:35,120 stop sign took the front end of his car 116 00:05:39,940 --> 00:05:37,760 off with his wife in it and pushed him 117 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:39,950 up against a tree it was closed house it 118 00:05:52,450 --> 00:05:44,810 closely he's okay yeah well that's good 119 00:05:55,030 --> 00:05:52,460 Wow so Chris for the person I kind of 120 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:55,040 just gave your background but for the 121 00:05:59,140 --> 00:05:56,450 person that's this the first time 122 00:06:01,000 --> 00:05:59,150 hearing you can you give them you know 123 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:01,010 kind of a nutshell of what got you 124 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:04,210 interested in this topic to begin with 125 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:06,890 that's a good I mean I can go all the 126 00:06:10,770 --> 00:06:08,930 way back to even when I guess I was in 127 00:06:13,570 --> 00:06:10,780 high school or junior high school and 128 00:06:15,340 --> 00:06:13,580 being interested and vaguely remember 129 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:15,350 going to a conference in Kansas City and 130 00:06:20,950 --> 00:06:18,170 passing Allen Hynek just I had no idea 131 00:06:22,270 --> 00:06:20,960 who he was and I was a nobody I grew up 132 00:06:23,710 --> 00:06:22,280 in Indonesia my parents had an 133 00:06:25,750 --> 00:06:23,720 experience when we were over there back 134 00:06:28,150 --> 00:06:25,760 in the late fifties that I didn't even 135 00:06:30,670 --> 00:06:28,160 find out about until years later but 136 00:06:33,340 --> 00:06:30,680 somewhere between that and in my college 137 00:06:35,170 --> 00:06:33,350 years and and especially by the last 138 00:06:36,990 --> 00:06:35,180 year of college when I took a really 139 00:06:40,060 --> 00:06:37,000 interesting course in parapsychology and 140 00:06:42,010 --> 00:06:40,070 led to other things got me to read up a 141 00:06:45,190 --> 00:06:42,020 lot about how put off and always been 142 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:45,200 impressed with him and and Matt my 143 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:47,810 friend Tommy Boylan and and after that 144 00:06:52,030 --> 00:06:50,170 it just things seemed to snowball and 145 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:52,040 somewhere along the way through her 146 00:06:55,990 --> 00:06:53,570 friend through Tom especially you know I 147 00:06:59,200 --> 00:06:56,000 got to know Allen Hynek and for a little 148 00:07:00,220 --> 00:06:59,210 while before he passed away I did some 149 00:07:02,140 --> 00:07:00,230 things with a Center for UFO studies 150 00:07:06,180 --> 00:07:02,150 that sent a few reports in 151 00:07:08,740 --> 00:07:06,190 but for the most part it seems to be a 152 00:07:10,990 --> 00:07:08,750 lot of people it's kind of independent 153 00:07:13,090 --> 00:07:11,000 interests and trying to step carefully 154 00:07:14,830 --> 00:07:13,100 and not make the wrong step and try to 155 00:07:16,210 --> 00:07:14,840 follow the leads where they go and that 156 00:07:18,670 --> 00:07:16,220 seems to be a lot that's actually what 157 00:07:20,650 --> 00:07:18,680 originated this entire paper was just I 158 00:07:22,300 --> 00:07:20,660 wrote a list of questions I began to 159 00:07:24,460 --> 00:07:22,310 have on my own and just started 160 00:07:25,900 --> 00:07:24,470 following those and that ended up with 161 00:07:29,620 --> 00:07:25,910 this and then I send it to you and here 162 00:07:31,810 --> 00:07:29,630 we are yeah it wasn't the plan I promise 163 00:07:33,190 --> 00:07:31,820 you it wasn't the plan well you know you 164 00:07:36,550 --> 00:07:33,200 do raise some interesting questions 165 00:07:39,070 --> 00:07:36,560 we'll go with them tonight whether 166 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:39,080 they'll be answers out there or not we 167 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:41,090 also are going to have Colin so you know 168 00:07:45,850 --> 00:07:43,250 during the second hour so if people have 169 00:07:49,570 --> 00:07:45,860 read the PDF it's actually right now if 170 00:07:51,790 --> 00:07:49,580 you go on podcast UFO calm it's a if 171 00:07:54,700 --> 00:07:51,800 people are watching the show there which 172 00:07:57,930 --> 00:07:54,710 the YouTube is embedded there you'll see 173 00:08:01,120 --> 00:07:57,940 the PDF down below it's 22 pages long 174 00:08:03,610 --> 00:08:01,130 and a lot of really good points 175 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:03,620 what is your feedback then like you've 176 00:08:09,340 --> 00:08:06,530 passed it around a little bit well as 177 00:08:11,620 --> 00:08:09,350 you know a month ago about at the end of 178 00:08:14,110 --> 00:08:11,630 October I had come up with the first I 179 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:14,120 guess it was about 19 pages a little bit 180 00:08:18,340 --> 00:08:16,010 less at the time and it was just a rough 181 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:18,350 draft and even at this point it's not 182 00:08:21,460 --> 00:08:19,850 something I wrote with a purpose to 183 00:08:23,140 --> 00:08:21,470 publish or whatnot 184 00:08:25,780 --> 00:08:23,150 it was a rough draft and I send it to 185 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:25,790 you and a handful of others Joe mirja 186 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:29,810 and David Beaty and basically just said 187 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:32,930 hey I've got something wrong tell me you 188 00:08:37,210 --> 00:08:34,010 know that sort of thing give me any 189 00:08:38,860 --> 00:08:37,220 feedback and I got some nice response 190 00:08:39,940 --> 00:08:38,870 from Dave on it I understand there's a 191 00:08:44,790 --> 00:08:39,950 point I'll make here in a minute that 192 00:08:46,930 --> 00:08:44,800 you brought up earlier and not much else 193 00:08:48,850 --> 00:08:46,940 people were nice enough but I guess if 194 00:08:52,690 --> 00:08:48,860 it's a draft I didn't excite I did send 195 00:08:54,730 --> 00:08:52,700 it to Tioga way and just because the 196 00:08:57,610 --> 00:08:54,740 point was the people who have put things 197 00:08:59,530 --> 00:08:57,620 out there that helped me I would at 198 00:09:01,330 --> 00:08:59,540 least you know I can oblige to give them 199 00:09:03,130 --> 00:09:01,340 a heads up on it and I send it to them 200 00:09:05,830 --> 00:09:03,140 and let them take a look at it but for 201 00:09:07,330 --> 00:09:05,840 the most part didn't get a lot of 202 00:09:09,670 --> 00:09:07,340 feedback there were some questions that 203 00:09:12,700 --> 00:09:09,680 I had and Dave made he was helpful that 204 00:09:15,510 --> 00:09:12,710 way and Tim McMillan who worked with him 205 00:09:19,180 --> 00:09:15,520 were helpful that way 206 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:19,190 then it was the question you raised that 207 00:09:24,130 --> 00:09:21,530 really got me thinking and it was when 208 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:24,140 you it was this some of my interests 209 00:09:28,450 --> 00:09:25,970 began to revolve around the question of 210 00:09:31,870 --> 00:09:28,460 Douglas Kurth and what he saw and what 211 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:31,880 Dave raver saw and why the two didn't 212 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:34,490 seem to the descriptions seem to vary a 213 00:09:40,630 --> 00:09:37,490 good bit and then when you wrote me back 214 00:09:44,170 --> 00:09:40,640 and said how do we know what Douglas fir 215 00:09:45,940 --> 00:09:44,180 saw is what Dave raver saw and for some 216 00:09:47,350 --> 00:09:45,950 reason that hit me it just I just 217 00:09:50,470 --> 00:09:47,360 realized right then you know we're all 218 00:09:53,860 --> 00:09:50,480 presuming that what we're being told is 219 00:09:56,290 --> 00:09:53,870 the way it is and wow that set me off on 220 00:09:59,440 --> 00:09:56,300 a whole different path of looking at 221 00:10:02,260 --> 00:09:59,450 facts I spent a long time I'm I wrote to 222 00:10:04,300 --> 00:10:02,270 the pilots asking questions about which 223 00:10:05,860 --> 00:10:04,310 aircraft who flew what did a lot of 224 00:10:08,260 --> 00:10:05,870 research when all the way back found 225 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:08,270 some of the early things that Kevin day 226 00:10:12,910 --> 00:10:10,850 had written and even all the way back to 227 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:12,920 where the original fuller video had been 228 00:10:18,370 --> 00:10:16,490 posted in 2007 and not many people are 229 00:10:20,830 --> 00:10:18,380 aware that a little later in that post 230 00:10:23,250 --> 00:10:20,840 there's a what it basically seems like a 231 00:10:26,950 --> 00:10:23,260 page or so out of a log file that 232 00:10:30,730 --> 00:10:26,960 describes the pilots that went out it's 233 00:10:32,830 --> 00:10:30,740 an event summary and that began and 234 00:10:36,130 --> 00:10:32,840 especially even in the executive summary 235 00:10:40,270 --> 00:10:36,140 if you look at the times I began to 236 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:40,280 realize wait a minute Douglas Kurth was 237 00:10:44,620 --> 00:10:42,130 out and I want to have her two hours 238 00:10:47,350 --> 00:10:44,630 before David flavor claims he wants 239 00:10:48,580 --> 00:10:47,360 flavors known for saying all the time 240 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:48,590 they left between 12:00 and 1:00 241 00:10:53,590 --> 00:10:50,330 somewhere in that time frame and even 242 00:10:56,470 --> 00:10:53,600 his is a wing man or his the pilot our 243 00:10:59,650 --> 00:10:56,480 two Dietrich had has stated that they 244 00:11:01,300 --> 00:10:59,660 left sometime noon or after but even in 245 00:11:04,510 --> 00:11:01,310 the executive summary where it talks 246 00:11:06,730 --> 00:11:04,520 about Douglas curse outing he was out 247 00:11:08,410 --> 00:11:06,740 there initially doing a post flight 248 00:11:09,790 --> 00:11:08,420 maintenance or post maintenance flight 249 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:09,800 check something to that effect 250 00:11:14,890 --> 00:11:11,810 which struck me because that's not what 251 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:14,900 David flavour initial initially he says 252 00:11:19,900 --> 00:11:16,850 they were doing an air defense exercises 253 00:11:23,140 --> 00:11:19,910 a 2v2 two planes fighting against two 254 00:11:25,870 --> 00:11:23,150 others and I compare that with the 255 00:11:28,300 --> 00:11:25,880 article that was written by Paco Chia 256 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:28,310 Ricci in 2015 that seemed to be 257 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:29,930 main source where a lot of this got 258 00:11:35,050 --> 00:11:31,970 started and maybe even where Robert 259 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:35,060 Powell got started and even he says that 260 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:37,250 Douglas Kurth was doing a post 261 00:11:42,340 --> 00:11:40,010 maintenance flight check but they both 262 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:42,350 seemed to suggest that cars went out 263 00:11:49,540 --> 00:11:46,250 there saw this 300-foot disturbance in 264 00:11:53,050 --> 00:11:49,550 the water 150 200 meters but then they 265 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:53,060 told him to skip it you're like if he 266 00:11:57,460 --> 00:11:54,650 was already right there and he actually 267 00:11:59,110 --> 00:11:57,470 says he flew right over it then he says 268 00:12:01,510 --> 00:11:59,120 he saw freighter coming in and flavor 269 00:12:03,010 --> 00:12:01,520 claims he saw this cross-shaped thing 270 00:12:04,570 --> 00:12:03,020 under the water but if you'll remember 271 00:12:07,060 --> 00:12:04,580 in the original paper I pretty well 272 00:12:08,740 --> 00:12:07,070 stopped to her because it was Douglas 273 00:12:11,890 --> 00:12:08,750 Krause saying he looked back and saw the 274 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:11,900 disturbance had disappeared but it 275 00:12:17,740 --> 00:12:14,210 didn't disappear in flavor story until 276 00:12:19,570 --> 00:12:17,750 after favorite pet is encounter so that 277 00:12:21,490 --> 00:12:19,580 there was a conflict right there how 278 00:12:24,060 --> 00:12:21,500 could it be gone unless Douglas Kurth 279 00:12:26,350 --> 00:12:24,070 was right on top of it the whole time 280 00:12:29,620 --> 00:12:26,360 now I don't think even that's the case 281 00:12:31,870 --> 00:12:29,630 because I think Kurth must have been out 282 00:12:33,730 --> 00:12:31,880 there earlier perhaps by himself 283 00:12:36,310 --> 00:12:33,740 originally because his flight number and 284 00:12:37,660 --> 00:12:36,320 in the in the PDF I go into all of this 285 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:37,670 and even at the very end there's the 286 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:39,650 photograph that I found showing curse 287 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:41,210 plane with his flight number with a 288 00:12:45,490 --> 00:12:43,130 plane number on it and his name printed 289 00:12:47,380 --> 00:12:45,500 but that's not one of the two flights 290 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:47,390 that were that suppose we went out when 291 00:12:52,780 --> 00:12:50,330 favor went out so the whole paper began 292 00:12:54,610 --> 00:12:52,790 just these conflicts that didn't add up 293 00:12:56,770 --> 00:12:54,620 and one of the points that you mentioned 294 00:12:58,600 --> 00:12:56,780 it earlier that I guess I want to say up 295 00:13:02,110 --> 00:12:58,610 front to kind of head everybody off at 296 00:13:03,610 --> 00:13:02,120 the past is the comments been made yeah 297 00:13:06,010 --> 00:13:03,620 that reading the paper it's hard to know 298 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:06,020 where I'm and where I'm going but that 299 00:13:10,150 --> 00:13:07,850 wasn't why I started writing it was just 300 00:13:11,500 --> 00:13:10,160 pure analysis I was just hit an a domino 301 00:13:15,100 --> 00:13:11,510 and following it where it went 302 00:13:17,380 --> 00:13:15,110 so I understand that if you're looking 303 00:13:19,810 --> 00:13:17,390 for me to reach a point and tell you a 304 00:13:23,680 --> 00:13:19,820 given conclusion this is what the fact 305 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:23,690 is well I'll read it in two sections and 306 00:13:27,250 --> 00:13:25,370 understand the questions because if my 307 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:27,260 aim is to get a lot more questions 308 00:13:32,290 --> 00:13:29,930 raised and in fact I have a quote I 309 00:13:33,940 --> 00:13:32,300 found this even this morning that says 310 00:13:35,350 --> 00:13:33,950 we don't know the answers but we have 311 00:13:37,540 --> 00:13:35,360 plenty of evidence to support the 312 00:13:39,970 --> 00:13:37,550 questions and that's a quote from Harry 313 00:13:41,420 --> 00:13:39,980 Reid when he originally came out and 314 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:41,430 admitted that he had backed the 88 315 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:44,250 project and that's kind of my point the 316 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:47,010 point is there's things that don't add 317 00:13:51,290 --> 00:13:49,770 up and there are questions I have I hope 318 00:13:53,210 --> 00:13:51,300 we have good answers I mean I want to 319 00:13:55,010 --> 00:13:53,220 have faith and the paper starts with the 320 00:13:56,990 --> 00:13:55,020 idea that you know we all are hopeful 321 00:13:58,579 --> 00:13:57,000 for what to the stars once and what they 322 00:14:01,850 --> 00:13:58,589 profess to be about and what they're 323 00:14:03,199 --> 00:14:01,860 claiming they're going to do but frankly 324 00:14:05,269 --> 00:14:03,209 I know somebody's gonna ask me what I 325 00:14:07,490 --> 00:14:05,279 think and this whole thing is looking a 326 00:14:09,139 --> 00:14:07,500 lot more like an OP to me like there's 327 00:14:11,780 --> 00:14:09,149 something else going on because we're 328 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:11,790 getting a narrative with flavors one 329 00:14:17,810 --> 00:14:15,450 story and their aspects of even things 330 00:14:21,079 --> 00:14:17,820 Kevin day wrote back in 2010 don't match 331 00:14:23,269 --> 00:14:21,089 flavors story or even curse story that 332 00:14:25,630 --> 00:14:23,279 seemed like a completely third encounter 333 00:14:28,490 --> 00:14:25,640 with somebody engaging an object up at 334 00:14:30,410 --> 00:14:28,500 20,000 feet that shot right down into 335 00:14:32,090 --> 00:14:30,420 the water and when the pilot flew away 336 00:14:34,519 --> 00:14:32,100 it shot right back out and went on its 337 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:34,529 merry way that's that's a good quote and 338 00:14:42,290 --> 00:14:37,410 I'm like so how many encounters were 339 00:14:43,850 --> 00:14:42,300 there and it's just not adding up I mean 340 00:14:45,350 --> 00:14:43,860 things are not adding up the way it was 341 00:14:47,300 --> 00:14:45,360 of course this started with me was.how 342 00:14:49,519 --> 00:14:47,310 Kurth ended up at Bigelow Aerospace in 343 00:14:52,550 --> 00:14:49,529 2007 before any other name seemed to 344 00:14:55,340 --> 00:14:52,560 have appeared the pilot who was there 345 00:14:57,590 --> 00:14:55,350 starts working at Bigelow Aerospace and 346 00:14:59,030 --> 00:14:57,600 he won't - I did write I did reach out 347 00:15:01,670 --> 00:14:59,040 to Douglas quor'toth and he was nice 348 00:15:03,079 --> 00:15:01,680 enough to reply but of course he says 349 00:15:05,990 --> 00:15:03,089 anything that he had to say has already 350 00:15:07,460 --> 00:15:06,000 been published and good luck so Wow yeah 351 00:15:09,260 --> 00:15:07,470 he doesn't want to talk and which of 352 00:15:12,470 --> 00:15:09,270 course is interesting to me as well but 353 00:15:14,090 --> 00:15:12,480 yeah well you know we it there's you 354 00:15:17,570 --> 00:15:14,100 know two things right off the bat I want 355 00:15:19,370 --> 00:15:17,580 to say first of all I think Kevin day is 356 00:15:21,980 --> 00:15:19,380 and I do believe you feel the same way 357 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:21,990 is totally credible I also feel David 358 00:15:26,870 --> 00:15:23,970 flavour is credible but they do there is 359 00:15:29,030 --> 00:15:26,880 a little bit of content there you know 360 00:15:31,490 --> 00:15:29,040 there was obvious at a conference you 361 00:15:36,110 --> 00:15:31,500 know several months back and that 362 00:15:39,380 --> 00:15:36,120 there's a little bit of conflict of you 363 00:15:42,319 --> 00:15:39,390 know what one person is speculating over 364 00:15:46,940 --> 00:15:42,329 another mostly I want to say David 365 00:15:49,190 --> 00:15:46,950 flavor has you know speculated that you 366 00:15:51,199 --> 00:15:49,200 know other people don't know that 367 00:15:53,750 --> 00:15:51,209 actually do you know for instance Kevin 368 00:15:54,290 --> 00:15:53,760 day but you know I have some questions 369 00:15:56,270 --> 00:15:54,300 I'm going to 370 00:15:58,700 --> 00:15:56,280 at you to get your opinion as we go 371 00:16:01,940 --> 00:15:58,710 along here but if you would in kind of a 372 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:01,950 nutshell can you tell us basically what 373 00:16:06,230 --> 00:16:03,690 we're going to be covering tonight 374 00:16:08,450 --> 00:16:06,240 besides you know the Nimitz 375 00:16:09,470 --> 00:16:08,460 yeah sure you're touching on a lot of 376 00:16:11,330 --> 00:16:09,480 the different things I know we're going 377 00:16:12,170 --> 00:16:11,340 to talk about but there were basically 378 00:16:14,150 --> 00:16:12,180 China for 379 00:16:16,270 --> 00:16:14,160 yeah there were recently forced sections 380 00:16:18,860 --> 00:16:16,280 to this paper that I broke it down into 381 00:16:20,990 --> 00:16:18,870 the first one was just questions on this 382 00:16:23,030 --> 00:16:21,000 nimitz narrative because of the 383 00:16:24,980 --> 00:16:23,040 conflicts that even initially I was 384 00:16:26,510 --> 00:16:24,990 seeing somehow you know the two things 385 00:16:30,290 --> 00:16:26,520 can't seem to be right or they seem to 386 00:16:32,930 --> 00:16:30,300 have big discrepancies the second it's 387 00:16:34,910 --> 00:16:32,940 questions on a navy I think I where 388 00:16:38,570 --> 00:16:34,920 worded it was a Navy investigation 389 00:16:40,250 --> 00:16:38,580 behind us app and a tip because I think 390 00:16:42,170 --> 00:16:40,260 there's undeniable indications 391 00:16:43,790 --> 00:16:42,180 especially because and I documented as 392 00:16:46,610 --> 00:16:43,800 something CEREC has said some things 393 00:16:48,980 --> 00:16:46,620 Paco cheery she has now said that there 394 00:16:51,470 --> 00:16:48,990 was a no an i investigation that went on 395 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:51,480 and in fact the person who originally 396 00:16:54,860 --> 00:16:53,370 wrote the executive summary the 397 00:16:57,610 --> 00:16:54,870 classified version or the original 398 00:17:00,320 --> 00:16:57,620 investigation was a gs-15 with oh and i 399 00:17:03,980 --> 00:17:00,330 that if this was long before us a and a 400 00:17:05,120 --> 00:17:03,990 tip came out then there's and that was 401 00:17:06,410 --> 00:17:05,130 actually one of the things that started 402 00:17:09,500 --> 00:17:06,420 in the set of questions i wrote to 403 00:17:11,120 --> 00:17:09,510 myself was in it in the beginning of the 404 00:17:13,460 --> 00:17:11,130 paper is you look at these things and 405 00:17:16,100 --> 00:17:13,470 it's hard not to think that the Navy is 406 00:17:19,010 --> 00:17:16,110 some kind of a silent backer or a silent 407 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:19,020 player in all of this because it allowed 408 00:17:23,180 --> 00:17:21,330 Lassonde to take the videos and and 409 00:17:24,890 --> 00:17:23,190 resign and immediately go to work for to 410 00:17:27,290 --> 00:17:24,900 the stars and use those videos of 411 00:17:29,900 --> 00:17:27,300 promotional material no consequences 412 00:17:31,850 --> 00:17:29,910 that are we've seen you've got the Navy 413 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:31,860 changing some of their pilot reporting 414 00:17:35,690 --> 00:17:33,450 policies you've got a lot of these 415 00:17:39,290 --> 00:17:35,700 things happening there is even a comment 416 00:17:42,500 --> 00:17:39,300 how put out and I think in his ceci 417 00:17:45,740 --> 00:17:42,510 conference where he says that these Navy 418 00:17:47,330 --> 00:17:45,750 pilots were permitted to speak that's a 419 00:17:49,490 --> 00:17:47,340 kind of an unusual way to say it if 420 00:17:50,810 --> 00:17:49,500 they're supposed to be retired citizens 421 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:50,820 they able to do what eight what they 422 00:17:56,630 --> 00:17:53,970 please and feel like speaking anyway the 423 00:17:59,090 --> 00:17:56,640 third section was kind of interesting to 424 00:18:02,600 --> 00:17:59,100 me as well me personally because it was 425 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:02,610 the idea of how did the DeLong situation 426 00:18:07,070 --> 00:18:04,770 which started out with kind of in the 427 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:07,080 WikiLeaks and his meeting the people at 428 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:08,010 Lockheed 429 00:18:13,580 --> 00:18:10,850 end up with him with to the stars 430 00:18:15,049 --> 00:18:13,590 because there's a gap in there which 431 00:18:16,549 --> 00:18:15,059 there doesn't seem to be a connection 432 00:18:19,639 --> 00:18:16,559 the people he originally was writing out 433 00:18:21,500 --> 00:18:19,649 that he first met and suddenly now he's 434 00:18:24,830 --> 00:18:21,510 co-founding to the stars with how put 435 00:18:26,419 --> 00:18:24,840 off in a and jimsim event and so that 436 00:18:29,120 --> 00:18:26,429 was more of an intriguing little 437 00:18:31,399 --> 00:18:29,130 analysis in there and I think from what 438 00:18:33,049 --> 00:18:31,409 I've my opinion at this point is that 439 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:33,059 kit green played a hand in that 440 00:18:37,070 --> 00:18:35,730 because I don't know how the connection 441 00:18:40,490 --> 00:18:37,080 was made there but the description 442 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:40,500 sounds a lot like him and then of course 443 00:18:44,899 --> 00:18:42,090 the final maybe the shorter section on 444 00:18:45,379 --> 00:18:44,909 this was Wyatt to the Stars after all of 445 00:18:49,789 --> 00:18:45,389 that 446 00:18:51,379 --> 00:18:49,799 why created to the Stars Academy if 447 00:18:52,669 --> 00:18:51,389 you're gonna do a Navy investigation if 448 00:18:57,680 --> 00:18:52,679 you're gonna be investigating all this 449 00:18:59,180 --> 00:18:57,690 sort of thing well I do the same kind of 450 00:19:01,370 --> 00:18:59,190 many of the same names at least that 451 00:19:03,919 --> 00:19:01,380 were in the Bigelow Aerospace the bass 452 00:19:07,850 --> 00:19:03,929 kind of arrangement and it carried 453 00:19:09,289 --> 00:19:07,860 through all of this why not you're right 454 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:09,299 these be these are people that I've had 455 00:19:13,279 --> 00:19:11,010 a lot of respect for I've read about for 456 00:19:15,110 --> 00:19:13,289 years I mean oddly enough I've looked a 457 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:15,120 little bit at Stephen justice this is a 458 00:19:21,350 --> 00:19:17,250 brilliant guy I mean I like his designs 459 00:19:23,870 --> 00:19:21,360 he's visual the heck of a thing to 460 00:19:26,060 --> 00:19:23,880 practically retire from all those years 461 00:19:27,919 --> 00:19:26,070 at Lockheed the month before you 462 00:19:31,129 --> 00:19:27,929 suddenly show up on stage with to the 463 00:19:33,049 --> 00:19:31,139 stars yeah you know my impression 464 00:19:34,639 --> 00:19:33,059 originally was they've got something I 465 00:19:38,180 --> 00:19:34,649 don't know what but they've already got 466 00:19:39,769 --> 00:19:38,190 something and now I think probably the 467 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:39,779 office of the Secretary of Defense is 468 00:19:43,159 --> 00:19:41,250 helping them because of something stated 469 00:19:44,750 --> 00:19:43,169 in that Cradock that army krodha that 470 00:19:47,570 --> 00:19:44,760 was put out there about some of the 471 00:19:49,159 --> 00:19:47,580 materials that they've got but but so 472 00:19:50,690 --> 00:19:49,169 it's basically was these four different 473 00:19:52,580 --> 00:19:50,700 sections that the questions I had 474 00:19:57,049 --> 00:19:52,590 eventually led me to really be focusing 475 00:19:59,539 --> 00:19:57,059 on and and it's simply to raise 476 00:20:01,430 --> 00:19:59,549 questions to ask you know go out and get 477 00:20:02,750 --> 00:20:01,440 the answers that we want I'm not trying 478 00:20:05,870 --> 00:20:02,760 to prove anything I'm not against 479 00:20:07,399 --> 00:20:05,880 anybody and I just I laugh to myself 480 00:20:09,710 --> 00:20:07,409 because I'm admits in this to you if 481 00:20:13,759 --> 00:20:09,720 this is like somebody wants you to buy a 482 00:20:14,810 --> 00:20:13,769 car invest money in it well you should 483 00:20:16,310 --> 00:20:14,820 ask for the CARFAX 484 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:16,320 yeah and you should they should they 485 00:20:18,980 --> 00:20:17,730 should expect you're gonna ask for it 486 00:20:21,470 --> 00:20:18,990 these days they should just have it 487 00:20:21,860 --> 00:20:21,480 ready be upfront about it so when you 488 00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:21,870 begin to 489 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:23,760 get their feeling that the stories 490 00:20:28,070 --> 00:20:26,010 aren't tying together and things you 491 00:20:31,310 --> 00:20:28,080 might want to know they don't want to 492 00:20:32,660 --> 00:20:31,320 talk to you you know which sadly when 493 00:20:35,210 --> 00:20:32,670 the after the end of the first paper you 494 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:35,220 wrote me the question about to the stars 495 00:20:40,430 --> 00:20:37,770 is not being inclusive of those in the 496 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:40,440 UFO community and some of the recent 497 00:20:43,870 --> 00:20:41,970 comments that came out on Grant Cameron 498 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:43,880 show him talking to Melinda Leslie about 499 00:20:49,670 --> 00:20:46,410 jimsim even saying no don't want to talk 500 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:49,680 to you not interested okay it's their 501 00:20:55,070 --> 00:20:53,010 company but they're looking for people 502 00:20:56,690 --> 00:20:55,080 to invest money and they're certainly 503 00:20:58,940 --> 00:20:56,700 going on the talk show circuits and 504 00:21:01,549 --> 00:20:58,950 going out to the conferences and talking 505 00:21:04,669 --> 00:21:01,559 to the UFO community and wanting an 506 00:21:07,940 --> 00:21:04,679 input through their vault app that 507 00:21:11,060 --> 00:21:07,950 they're gonna be making so seems to 508 00:21:12,950 --> 00:21:11,070 media you know a little more a little 509 00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:12,960 more upfront with some of the 510 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:14,880 information and explaining it some of 511 00:21:18,919 --> 00:21:16,410 these conflicts I would like to just 512 00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:18,929 have explanations to put my own mind at 513 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:20,880 ease right now hopefully that everything 514 00:21:22,460 --> 00:21:22,050 is okay and everything's on the 515 00:21:24,650 --> 00:21:22,470 up-and-up 516 00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:24,660 yeah yeah we can all we can all hope for 517 00:21:32,660 --> 00:21:28,080 that I had thought that Tom DeLonge 518 00:21:34,940 --> 00:21:32,670 sister who was the publicist for TTS a I 519 00:21:38,090 --> 00:21:34,950 was thinking that she you know perhaps 520 00:21:41,470 --> 00:21:38,100 maybe she had not had a background in 521 00:21:44,299 --> 00:21:41,480 and in this this type of thing and they 522 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:44,309 researched her I think it scary maybe I 523 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:46,410 believe I think that sounds right but 524 00:21:51,350 --> 00:21:49,290 she is she has a background in doing 525 00:21:52,850 --> 00:21:51,360 what she's doing so because I've been 526 00:21:57,010 --> 00:21:52,860 kind of surprised that there hasn't been 527 00:22:01,280 --> 00:21:57,020 a lot of you know connectivity be when 528 00:22:03,710 --> 00:22:01,290 someone like myself or someone that has 529 00:22:06,970 --> 00:22:03,720 a really good show or you know that 530 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:06,980 tries to you know keep on the up-and-up 531 00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:09,690 contacts them you know they're generally 532 00:22:18,410 --> 00:22:13,520 not replying you know and but they use 533 00:22:20,330 --> 00:22:18,420 we can be used as a tool when needed 534 00:22:23,180 --> 00:22:20,340 alright that's kind of how it feels in 535 00:22:24,740 --> 00:22:23,190 some ways I'm not yeah it was something 536 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:24,750 I something I read the other day but I 537 00:22:28,490 --> 00:22:26,250 wish I could remember who it was because 538 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:28,500 I am it's important to me to give credit 539 00:22:32,570 --> 00:22:29,850 to all these other people who done all 540 00:22:33,950 --> 00:22:32,580 this good work that has helped all of us 541 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:33,960 keep on top of things but the comment 542 00:22:37,010 --> 00:22:35,490 was something to the effect that 543 00:22:39,310 --> 00:22:37,020 you know David flavor only talks to 544 00:22:41,450 --> 00:22:39,320 Georgia Knapp and Jeremy Korbel and 545 00:22:44,030 --> 00:22:41,460 somebody else only talks you know Jim 546 00:22:45,860 --> 00:22:44,040 simav and only talks to Wendel Leslie 547 00:22:47,210 --> 00:22:45,870 and whomever and it's like you're right 548 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:47,220 you want to get them on your show and 549 00:22:52,580 --> 00:22:50,010 only specific audiences are they 550 00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:52,590 seemingly willing to talk to you I mean 551 00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:55,200 I as I said I reached out to a couple of 552 00:23:00,860 --> 00:22:58,880 the pilots that I was confined and 553 00:23:03,290 --> 00:23:00,870 generally they were nice but not 554 00:23:05,630 --> 00:23:03,300 talkative not wanting to answer 555 00:23:08,930 --> 00:23:05,640 questions no flavors seems to be willing 556 00:23:10,850 --> 00:23:08,940 to say just about everything but most of 557 00:23:12,380 --> 00:23:10,860 the others are pretty tight-lipped or 558 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:12,390 don't want to say anything or don't want 559 00:23:15,260 --> 00:23:13,770 to talk at all and I would think if 560 00:23:18,770 --> 00:23:15,270 you're really trying to promote this as 561 00:23:20,570 --> 00:23:18,780 and why not have Kurth on the show with 562 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:20,580 you think here's a guy who went to work 563 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:22,770 at Bigelow Aerospace would be a huge 564 00:23:26,060 --> 00:23:24,570 proponent to back all of this 565 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:26,070 information up could explain his 566 00:23:32,120 --> 00:23:28,890 involvement but I don't know for some 567 00:23:35,570 --> 00:23:32,130 reason it seems to be very tailored the 568 00:23:36,020 --> 00:23:35,580 way the narrative is going and that's my 569 00:23:38,120 --> 00:23:36,030 concern 570 00:23:39,620 --> 00:23:38,130 I don't move II know why bothers me when 571 00:23:43,810 --> 00:23:39,630 somebody won't tell you things that you 572 00:23:48,590 --> 00:23:46,400 reached out and tried to ask questions 573 00:23:50,060 --> 00:23:48,600 and wanted to you know send them stuff 574 00:23:51,260 --> 00:23:50,070 to see what they have to say and I'm not 575 00:23:54,410 --> 00:23:51,270 saying I'm gonna get everything right 576 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:54,420 but I don't think I can be he'll totally 577 00:23:58,520 --> 00:23:56,730 accountable if I've made some errors or 578 00:24:00,320 --> 00:23:58,530 some mistakes because these are just 579 00:24:01,910 --> 00:24:00,330 questions and I think people should ask 580 00:24:03,860 --> 00:24:01,920 but I think everybody should be looking 581 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:03,870 at them because something doesn't add up 582 00:24:09,230 --> 00:24:07,170 well the thing that you kind of 583 00:24:12,590 --> 00:24:09,240 uncovered or I actually have I believe 584 00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:12,600 I've seen it before or maybe I followed 585 00:24:17,419 --> 00:24:15,120 what you wrote but is it Paco is that 586 00:24:20,180 --> 00:24:17,429 how you say his name I think his pocket 587 00:24:25,340 --> 00:24:20,190 I think Paco cheery GI that's my 588 00:24:28,700 --> 00:24:25,350 principal yeah he was given a classified 589 00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:28,710 document and was able to use it to write 590 00:24:33,020 --> 00:24:31,200 his article and they had to draw back to 591 00:24:35,330 --> 00:24:33,030 me that seems like a biggest question of 592 00:24:38,510 --> 00:24:35,340 them all to me well and that's why it's 593 00:24:39,500 --> 00:24:38,520 the first big main type big type lead at 594 00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:39,510 the top of this thing because that 595 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:42,480 stunned me back in October when I was 596 00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:44,610 doing all of this research and this was 597 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:47,520 in the first paper that I sent to to you 598 00:24:52,010 --> 00:24:49,170 and Dave Beatty and pop and 599 00:24:56,030 --> 00:24:52,020 Tata rogue away and Joe mirja and Danny 600 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:56,040 Silva a few of those that laughed when I 601 00:24:58,700 --> 00:24:57,090 told you I said it's one of the 602 00:25:01,580 --> 00:24:58,710 advantages of being able to sit here all 603 00:25:05,450 --> 00:25:01,590 day and just look for things that I 604 00:25:08,030 --> 00:25:05,460 happen to come across a another podcast 605 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:08,040 by another guy I guess if it's a fighter 606 00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:09,930 pilot podcast you know an alpha person 607 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:12,000 that Hawk whatever personalities and he 608 00:25:15,650 --> 00:25:13,770 had to pocket you reaching on there and 609 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:15,660 they spent the longest time talking 610 00:25:19,550 --> 00:25:17,850 about all this cool stuff you know pilot 611 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:19,560 stuff you know I've always been 612 00:25:23,810 --> 00:25:21,450 impressed it amazes me these pilots are 613 00:25:25,580 --> 00:25:23,820 a bunch of tall good-looking guys and 614 00:25:28,220 --> 00:25:25,590 they're just amazing fighter pilot 615 00:25:30,650 --> 00:25:28,230 yeah and they're amazing but you know 616 00:25:32,990 --> 00:25:30,660 what Chris I I'm sorry I got you lead 617 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:33,000 led you into this question and we have 618 00:25:37,250 --> 00:25:34,890 to go into a break so we're gonna pick 619 00:25:39,650 --> 00:25:37,260 it up right here when we come back so 620 00:25:41,330 --> 00:25:39,660 this is Martin Willis with Chris 621 00:25:49,639 --> 00:25:41,340 Lambright and we'll be right back right 622 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:52,019 we're clear bharden just over three 623 00:25:56,190 --> 00:25:54,129 minutes in this break three minutes okay 624 00:26:00,419 --> 00:25:56,200 so we'll pick it up right there when we 625 00:26:03,209 --> 00:26:00,429 come back Chris and sofa right now we've 626 00:26:08,129 --> 00:26:03,219 got you know three minutes on YouTube 627 00:26:11,759 --> 00:26:08,139 only and so will will bring up something 628 00:26:16,109 --> 00:26:11,769 else can you go over basically your book 629 00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:16,119 X descending for those who may not be 630 00:26:20,819 --> 00:26:18,609 aware of it yeah it'll be a nice kind of 631 00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:20,829 an aside thing because if people really 632 00:26:25,469 --> 00:26:23,200 do wonder why I cared to dig into all of 633 00:26:27,629 --> 00:26:25,479 this a lot of it me personally did stem 634 00:26:28,889 --> 00:26:27,639 from that episode of unidentified where 635 00:26:32,039 --> 00:26:28,899 they talked about the Kirtland Air Force 636 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:32,049 Base incidents which was clearly to Paul 637 00:26:37,409 --> 00:26:34,690 bennewitz story but never mentioned his 638 00:26:39,569 --> 00:26:37,419 name or anything and the point was I 639 00:26:41,249 --> 00:26:39,579 knew a little bit about that and Paul 640 00:26:44,190 --> 00:26:41,259 bennewitz of course the whole issue was 641 00:26:45,930 --> 00:26:44,200 he was a man in had a successful company 642 00:26:48,509 --> 00:26:45,940 and lived in the nice part of 643 00:26:50,339 --> 00:26:48,519 Albuquerque and had had an interest in 644 00:26:52,259 --> 00:26:50,349 things that were going on up in the 645 00:26:54,749 --> 00:26:52,269 northern New Mexico Dulce area this is 646 00:26:59,249 --> 00:26:54,759 back in the late seventeen EIN there's 647 00:27:01,979 --> 00:26:59,259 too late 1979 and at some point 648 00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:01,989 long story short was on the roof of his 649 00:27:07,289 --> 00:27:05,049 house and happened to see some things 650 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:07,299 take coming and taking off from out of 651 00:27:11,819 --> 00:27:10,690 the Manzano weapons storage area so he 652 00:27:13,859 --> 00:27:11,829 had some good camera equipment 653 00:27:16,199 --> 00:27:13,869 Hasselblad camera another one mounted on 654 00:27:19,319 --> 00:27:16,209 a telescope and over a period of several 655 00:27:22,459 --> 00:27:19,329 nights from his roof he got film in 656 00:27:26,669 --> 00:27:22,469 still shots of these objects that would 657 00:27:28,799 --> 00:27:26,679 on the mountain lights out and one time 658 00:27:31,529 --> 00:27:28,809 he the mountain down lights out in five 659 00:27:33,839 --> 00:27:31,539 seconds so these are very very fast 660 00:27:35,069 --> 00:27:33,849 objects and even at one point his wife 661 00:27:36,719 --> 00:27:35,079 was out there he said get ready here 662 00:27:38,609 --> 00:27:36,729 they go and they took off and shot down 663 00:27:41,999 --> 00:27:38,619 around the end of the mountains he had 664 00:27:43,799 --> 00:27:42,009 all this on film and some were in around 665 00:27:46,259 --> 00:27:43,809 January I guess when he got the film 666 00:27:47,639 --> 00:27:46,269 developed or whatnot is when he finally 667 00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:47,649 picked up the phone and called down to 668 00:27:52,589 --> 00:27:50,799 the base it Kirtland got first you got a 669 00:27:54,749 --> 00:27:52,599 touch with Ernest Edwards who then put 670 00:27:56,249 --> 00:27:54,759 him in touch with Richard Doty so for 671 00:27:58,169 --> 00:27:56,259 anybody who wonders this is where 672 00:28:00,299 --> 00:27:58,179 Richard Dodie's name came into all of 673 00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:00,309 this is because he happened to be the 674 00:28:03,390 --> 00:28:02,559 person on the other end of the phone who 675 00:28:05,610 --> 00:28:03,400 talked to Paul Bennett 676 00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:05,620 but what started it at all was these 677 00:28:08,370 --> 00:28:06,370 films 678 00:28:10,049 --> 00:28:08,380 it wasn't picking up signals from the 679 00:28:14,940 --> 00:28:10,059 base which is the whole story that they 680 00:28:18,150 --> 00:28:14,950 tried to sell okay now we have one 681 00:28:20,370 --> 00:28:18,160 minute oh yeah to wrap it up yeah anyway 682 00:28:24,420 --> 00:28:20,380 so so the idea sorry I apologize the 683 00:28:27,690 --> 00:28:24,430 idea is Paul saw some things and here's 684 00:28:30,540 --> 00:28:27,700 also one point to be made why forty 685 00:28:32,340 --> 00:28:30,550 years later almost would they still be 686 00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:32,350 trying to push the issue of no no there 687 00:28:36,450 --> 00:28:33,760 was nothing to it it was just Russians 688 00:28:37,860 --> 00:28:36,460 it was whatever else Dodi would be out 689 00:28:41,310 --> 00:28:37,870 there I've had that question asked it's 690 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:41,320 a fair question why still keep piling on 691 00:28:45,299 --> 00:28:44,050 to try to keep the story buried and I 692 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:45,309 didn't appreciate the way it was 693 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:46,690 presented and that episode of 694 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:48,010 unidentified and the way they tried to 695 00:28:52,049 --> 00:28:50,890 demean Paul it's all clear I wrote in a 696 00:28:53,549 --> 00:28:52,059 little section at the end of this paper 697 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:53,559 for anyone who wants to know you know 698 00:29:00,650 --> 00:28:56,290 why it mattered to me that'll fill in 699 00:29:03,570 --> 00:29:00,660 that kind of information and anyway so 700 00:29:05,970 --> 00:29:03,580 that's the that's the book X descending 701 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:05,980 which actually covers two films at once 702 00:29:11,310 --> 00:29:08,530 Paul took and two amazing incredible 703 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:11,320 films that Ray took that bothering them 704 00:29:15,570 --> 00:29:12,850 tied back into the Air Force Research 705 00:29:20,660 --> 00:29:15,580 Lab so the book is about - his films 706 00:29:28,169 --> 00:29:24,510 well it's over three minutes race you 707 00:29:30,060 --> 00:29:28,179 there we're ready to go live I'm here my 708 00:29:34,890 --> 00:29:30,070 brothers stand by and I'll count you 709 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:34,900 down I was over here on another computer 710 00:29:38,190 --> 00:29:36,610 getting everything sorted for the phone 711 00:29:50,490 --> 00:29:38,200 calls had a phone call already coming in 712 00:29:54,210 --> 00:29:50,500 oh geez good here let me oops gotta get 713 00:29:58,799 --> 00:29:54,220 to signed in now so that I'm ready okay 714 00:30:01,080 --> 00:29:58,809 I'm in ok and we've got bumper rolling 715 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:01,090 and if you're ready my brother I'll go 716 00:30:09,870 --> 00:30:02,970 ahead and get us going yeah we're ready 717 00:30:12,060 --> 00:30:09,880 in five four three two all right welcome 718 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:12,070 back this is martin willis and i have 719 00:30:15,539 --> 00:30:14,290 chris Lambright we're here on podcast 720 00:30:18,690 --> 00:30:15,549 UFO 721 00:30:20,820 --> 00:30:18,700 Chris I made a note of where we end it 722 00:30:23,639 --> 00:30:20,830 and you know I look down I can't read I 723 00:30:27,060 --> 00:30:23,649 wrote with my left hand I can't read my 724 00:30:28,529 --> 00:30:27,070 own writing so we were basically talking 725 00:30:32,669 --> 00:30:28,539 about I think our you're mentioning a 726 00:30:34,590 --> 00:30:32,679 pilot or yeah I was Paco Paco's comments 727 00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:34,600 yeah that he made at the tail end of 728 00:30:40,409 --> 00:30:38,320 this other podcast in which at that 729 00:30:42,419 --> 00:30:40,419 point the host of the other podcast said 730 00:30:44,610 --> 00:30:42,429 okay I have to ask you about the article 731 00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:44,620 the 2015 article the x-files edition 732 00:30:50,340 --> 00:30:46,480 terrific article if anybody hasn't 733 00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:50,350 already I find that and he meant he 734 00:30:56,730 --> 00:30:52,720 brought it up and Paco began talking 735 00:30:58,620 --> 00:30:56,740 about it and that's when he says he 736 00:31:00,299 --> 00:30:58,630 talked to flavor and when he called him 737 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:00,309 to ask about writing it and flavor said 738 00:31:05,490 --> 00:31:02,890 what a coincidence they just left my 739 00:31:09,269 --> 00:31:05,500 house and doing this investigation and 740 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:09,279 Paco says he got a copy of this I 741 00:31:15,090 --> 00:31:10,770 believe the way he warded it was 742 00:31:16,919 --> 00:31:15,100 exhaustive classified report and he said 743 00:31:19,799 --> 00:31:16,929 they interviewed everybody 744 00:31:21,779 --> 00:31:19,809 it was my Everlong report right I know 745 00:31:24,570 --> 00:31:21,789 how long the report was but it was 746 00:31:26,990 --> 00:31:24,580 several pages I mean I'm think 15 20 747 00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:27,000 pages long but I do remember him 748 00:31:31,769 --> 00:31:29,279 explicitly stating it was a an 749 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:31,779 exhaustive classified report where they 750 00:31:37,649 --> 00:31:34,210 talked to the pilots the radar operators 751 00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:37,659 the submarine I'm like whoa and that's 752 00:31:41,580 --> 00:31:39,760 when he says yeah and I had it for two 753 00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:41,590 weeks before I wrote my report and then 754 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:44,289 I had to give it back and I had never 755 00:31:48,269 --> 00:31:46,330 heard that I'm like wait a minute now 756 00:31:51,060 --> 00:31:48,279 there's clear evidence that somebody has 757 00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:51,070 done some kind of investigation and it 758 00:31:54,899 --> 00:31:53,110 was a classified one that he got to and 759 00:31:56,940 --> 00:31:54,909 of course I did add it at the very last 760 00:32:00,690 --> 00:31:56,950 year the other day he's now actually 761 00:32:02,340 --> 00:32:00,700 come out on another podcast and just 762 00:32:04,649 --> 00:32:02,350 addressed this whole thing talking about 763 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:04,659 how I think Dave Beatty after I wrote 764 00:32:09,149 --> 00:32:06,370 him and sent him the paper last in 765 00:32:11,820 --> 00:32:09,159 October wrote me and asked me about that 766 00:32:14,159 --> 00:32:11,830 and he said he's gonna put Paco 767 00:32:16,169 --> 00:32:14,169 and that's when apparently Paco wrote 768 00:32:18,090 --> 00:32:16,179 him back and said yeah he dun wanted to 769 00:32:20,299 --> 00:32:18,100 tell him where he got the report but 770 00:32:22,620 --> 00:32:20,309 asked Dave asked for a ver and 771 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:22,630 subsequently Paco has come out and said 772 00:32:29,370 --> 00:32:25,210 it was a no and I investigation although 773 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:29,380 now he kind of says well I'm thinking 774 00:32:37,919 --> 00:32:32,410 maybe it was an a tip invest a tip 775 00:32:40,049 --> 00:32:37,929 depended in 2013 from told 17 right well 776 00:32:42,450 --> 00:32:40,059 this is 25th excuse me I'm sorry 777 00:32:46,279 --> 00:32:42,460 2015 is when he wrote his article I like 778 00:32:48,779 --> 00:32:46,289 March of 2015 which in fact was a 779 00:32:51,299 --> 00:32:48,789 obviously even a little few months so to 780 00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:51,309 speak before dumped along supposedly had 781 00:32:54,779 --> 00:32:52,809 gone to Lockheed and before anybody had 782 00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:54,789 even heard of to the Stars or anything 783 00:33:00,600 --> 00:32:57,730 along that line but it struck me as odd 784 00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:00,610 that wait if somebody is willing to loan 785 00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:04,809 him a copy of this exhaustive report for 786 00:33:09,570 --> 00:33:07,510 two weeks to help him I guess write his 787 00:33:11,610 --> 00:33:09,580 article although he says in this most 788 00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:11,620 recent interview that a few days back I 789 00:33:16,110 --> 00:33:13,360 guess that he said through a circuitous 790 00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:16,120 route he got his hands or got a copy of 791 00:33:21,419 --> 00:33:18,640 that article that he looked at but that 792 00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:21,429 it was a no and I investigation although 793 00:33:26,399 --> 00:33:23,049 now maybe he thinks it was a tip and I'm 794 00:33:28,399 --> 00:33:26,409 like he said oh and I never Davis had 795 00:33:32,010 --> 00:33:28,409 apparently mentioned to Linda how that 796 00:33:33,930 --> 00:33:32,020 blew up that the executive summary was 797 00:33:36,899 --> 00:33:33,940 drawn from was done by an oh and I 798 00:33:39,060 --> 00:33:36,909 investigator was a gs-15 so there was 799 00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:39,070 clearly some time and in fact if you go 800 00:33:43,169 --> 00:33:41,440 and look at the reports from all the way 801 00:33:45,690 --> 00:33:43,179 back to the newspaper articles even 802 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:45,700 flavor has stated that he got a call 803 00:33:49,950 --> 00:33:48,010 from his friend Douglas cheeks Kurth 804 00:33:52,230 --> 00:33:49,960 who's the other pilot who was working at 805 00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:52,240 Bigelow Aerospace that somewhere in the 806 00:33:57,390 --> 00:33:55,600 2008 or so time frame somebody else was 807 00:33:58,860 --> 00:33:57,400 already wanting to do an investigation a 808 00:34:00,779 --> 00:33:58,870 weird way to put it he said we have a 809 00:34:03,090 --> 00:34:00,789 customer who wants to investigate this 810 00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:03,100 can we do it I'm like who is the 811 00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:05,679 customer we don't really know but that's 812 00:34:10,740 --> 00:34:08,169 when I began to realize clearly there's 813 00:34:12,510 --> 00:34:10,750 been an investigation going on that the 814 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:12,520 two different sources have stated it was 815 00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:15,490 an i investigation but according to what 816 00:34:19,740 --> 00:34:17,649 i've heard through linda show and eric 817 00:34:22,169 --> 00:34:19,750 and whoever stating that the executive 818 00:34:24,060 --> 00:34:22,179 summary was facilitated and I think that 819 00:34:27,629 --> 00:34:24,070 waymond to put it facilitated by this 820 00:34:29,820 --> 00:34:27,639 manager at the DIA to get it to Eric and 821 00:34:32,190 --> 00:34:29,830 Hal for them to analyze her to look at 822 00:34:33,780 --> 00:34:32,200 because it had been classified so 823 00:34:36,810 --> 00:34:33,790 clearly there's a classified version a 824 00:34:39,149 --> 00:34:36,820 classified report the executive summary 825 00:34:41,460 --> 00:34:39,159 is kind of the Declassified sanitized 826 00:34:43,220 --> 00:34:41,470 version but somebody's loaning it to 827 00:34:45,919 --> 00:34:43,230 Paco Chia ricci for him to write 828 00:34:48,500 --> 00:34:45,929 article would suggest to me somebody 829 00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:48,510 wants this publicized or somebody is 830 00:34:52,490 --> 00:34:49,919 willing to have the information out 831 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:52,500 there one of the things that I noted and 832 00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:54,210 that I believe was somewhere in this 833 00:35:00,349 --> 00:34:57,570 information this article is 24 cert on 834 00:35:02,540 --> 00:35:00,359 Douglas curse role was first I heard was 835 00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:02,550 in Paco's article where he described 836 00:35:06,890 --> 00:35:04,560 having been out there and seeing the big 837 00:35:10,940 --> 00:35:06,900 huge circular shape in the water 838 00:35:13,220 --> 00:35:10,950 he doesn't quote Kurth so if you look at 839 00:35:15,770 --> 00:35:13,230 it that way it's pretty clear from what 840 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:15,780 I can tell he must have gotten the 841 00:35:20,540 --> 00:35:18,090 information somewhere probably in that 842 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:20,550 O&I investigation that he got and even 843 00:35:24,020 --> 00:35:22,290 though the names are blacked out it's 844 00:35:25,609 --> 00:35:24,030 clear that it's curse you know 845 00:35:28,190 --> 00:35:25,619 description even in the executive 846 00:35:31,099 --> 00:35:28,200 summary but it doesn't fit with the 847 00:35:32,660 --> 00:35:31,109 allottee far as I can tell when flavor 848 00:35:34,460 --> 00:35:32,670 says he was out there and curse said oh 849 00:35:35,930 --> 00:35:34,470 he saw them coming in and then he turned 850 00:35:37,820 --> 00:35:35,940 around and you know they caught told 851 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:37,830 that they called him off said skipper 852 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:40,770 and favor makes it out that it's on 853 00:35:44,270 --> 00:35:42,330 believe him right that their new 854 00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:44,280 aircraft he was in has larger fuel 855 00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:47,250 capacity than curse so they wanted him 856 00:35:52,370 --> 00:35:49,920 to go out and said it could but curse Rd 857 00:35:54,620 --> 00:35:52,380 there and he described seeing it he's 858 00:35:56,090 --> 00:35:54,630 alright so why would and you don't ever 859 00:35:57,710 --> 00:35:56,100 hear about my first thought was where 860 00:35:59,210 --> 00:35:57,720 was curse wingman if raver said they 861 00:36:01,460 --> 00:35:59,220 were gonna do this air defense exercise 862 00:36:02,210 --> 00:36:01,470 but a curse and never mentions having 863 00:36:04,730 --> 00:36:02,220 had a wingman 864 00:36:05,690 --> 00:36:04,740 I'm thinking and this flame later on 865 00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:05,700 wasn't the one 866 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:07,680 so there's conflicts in here there's 867 00:36:11,450 --> 00:36:09,210 conflicts even down to the naval 868 00:36:12,890 --> 00:36:11,460 investigation in Davitt Office of Naval 869 00:36:17,150 --> 00:36:12,900 Intelligence whoever was doing the 870 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:17,160 investigation that doesn't hold up and 871 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:19,650 my thinking now if something was going 872 00:36:25,250 --> 00:36:22,890 on from 2007 which is where House said 873 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:25,260 this got started in June very specific 874 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:28,530 month in June of 2007 in Douglas 875 00:36:32,900 --> 00:36:31,170 carthon's up at Bigelow Aerospace there 876 00:36:35,390 --> 00:36:32,910 was a comment I haven't been able to 877 00:36:36,740 --> 00:36:35,400 document where I saw this yet a comment 878 00:36:38,570 --> 00:36:36,750 that I think was attributed to Sean 879 00:36:41,450 --> 00:36:38,580 valet that he supposedly had done the 880 00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:41,460 database for bass and it was then handed 881 00:36:45,380 --> 00:36:43,680 over to a pilot which is kind of an 882 00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:45,390 unusual way to put it if I'm if my 883 00:36:49,460 --> 00:36:47,280 memory is correct which made me wonder 884 00:36:53,630 --> 00:36:49,470 if that wasn't Douglas quor'toth for 885 00:36:55,730 --> 00:36:53,640 some reason there but the other thing 886 00:36:56,690 --> 00:36:55,740 about this that strikes me is really 887 00:37:00,049 --> 00:36:56,700 strange 888 00:37:00,980 --> 00:37:00,059 which may also tie into Elizondo having 889 00:37:02,210 --> 00:37:00,990 been with the office of the 890 00:37:05,260 --> 00:37:02,220 undersecretary of defense for 891 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:05,270 intelligence not for acquisition and 892 00:37:10,099 --> 00:37:07,290 sustainment or acquisition and 893 00:37:11,930 --> 00:37:10,109 technology but for Intel that yes of 894 00:37:15,260 --> 00:37:11,940 course he was at the top of all of this 895 00:37:17,539 --> 00:37:15,270 all along and for some reason when the 896 00:37:18,980 --> 00:37:17,549 money for the Harry REO set contract all 897 00:37:21,230 --> 00:37:18,990 we've known of that came out of that 898 00:37:23,420 --> 00:37:21,240 money seemed to be a pretty extensive 899 00:37:24,829 --> 00:37:23,430 effort to gather other information I 900 00:37:27,049 --> 00:37:24,839 think I think it's pretty clear that's 901 00:37:30,109 --> 00:37:27,059 where the money came to buy into me fons 902 00:37:33,799 --> 00:37:30,119 database how went out and had the those 903 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:33,809 38 dar Dee's written so for some reason 904 00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:35,490 there was a real effort to gather more 905 00:37:40,460 --> 00:37:37,680 information about the UFO phenomenon in 906 00:37:43,819 --> 00:37:40,470 general from many available sources they 907 00:37:45,380 --> 00:37:43,829 could get which struck me is as you 908 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:45,390 would think as most of us who've been at 909 00:37:49,099 --> 00:37:46,530 this a while think okay somebody up 910 00:37:50,990 --> 00:37:49,109 there has all the data well why would 911 00:37:53,900 --> 00:37:51,000 you need to go out and get into a public 912 00:37:56,180 --> 00:37:53,910 database a public UFO groups database 913 00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:56,190 why would you be going out and so I'm 914 00:38:01,039 --> 00:37:57,930 not sure how I I don't really have a 915 00:38:03,140 --> 00:38:01,049 clear mind set on how that works yet but 916 00:38:05,059 --> 00:38:03,150 it's obvious that a lot of what was 917 00:38:07,339 --> 00:38:05,069 going on over the last number of years 918 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:07,349 had to do with going out and gathering 919 00:38:12,410 --> 00:38:09,930 extra extra information from other 920 00:38:15,799 --> 00:38:12,420 sources not like somebody already had 921 00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:15,809 that and and I don't know you know I 922 00:38:20,839 --> 00:38:19,140 don't know whether but at the same time 923 00:38:25,579 --> 00:38:20,849 if an investigation had been done by oh 924 00:38:26,299 --> 00:38:25,589 and I who is favor talking to in early 925 00:38:28,819 --> 00:38:26,309 2015 926 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:28,829 when Paco called him up in favor says 927 00:38:33,559 --> 00:38:30,930 yeah they were just here who was doing 928 00:38:35,569 --> 00:38:33,569 that investigation and Hawaii has flavor 929 00:38:38,030 --> 00:38:35,579 eluded that was a big question a lot of 930 00:38:40,220 --> 00:38:38,040 people have had why is flavor made it 931 00:38:41,059 --> 00:38:40,230 sound like nobody talked to him until 932 00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:41,069 2017 933 00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:42,720 you've been said in one of the programs 934 00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:44,250 that one of the other pilots called him 935 00:38:47,839 --> 00:38:46,049 up said hey have you been talked to yet 936 00:38:50,660 --> 00:38:47,849 no that's how I've been talk to you by 937 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:50,670 like the Pentagon five times a favor 938 00:38:55,789 --> 00:38:53,210 said get my number and I'll talk to him 939 00:38:58,579 --> 00:38:55,799 but somebody was at framers house in 940 00:38:59,690 --> 00:38:58,589 2015 yeah so I don't know if it's just 941 00:39:01,730 --> 00:38:59,700 there are a lot of these questions that 942 00:39:03,500 --> 00:39:01,740 don't seem to add up one of the things I 943 00:39:08,510 --> 00:39:03,510 just want to make a point a little side 944 00:39:09,740 --> 00:39:08,520 side note here and that is that if a lot 945 00:39:10,460 --> 00:39:09,750 of people have speculated that the 946 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:10,470 tick-tock 947 00:39:16,820 --> 00:39:13,530 were some type of you know airforce or 948 00:39:18,650 --> 00:39:16,830 some other type of you know project a 949 00:39:20,900 --> 00:39:18,660 secret project and they were just 950 00:39:22,700 --> 00:39:20,910 testing to see how the Navy react you 951 00:39:24,020 --> 00:39:22,710 know would react to it that type of 952 00:39:27,470 --> 00:39:24,030 thing a lot of people have been 953 00:39:29,420 --> 00:39:27,480 speculating that but why would they have 954 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:29,430 an exhaustive year-long you know 955 00:39:33,380 --> 00:39:31,890 investigation if that was the case that 956 00:39:35,570 --> 00:39:33,390 may everyone would be in honor or know 957 00:39:37,550 --> 00:39:35,580 about it you know at that level at the 958 00:39:40,580 --> 00:39:37,560 upper levels that would initiate an 959 00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:40,590 investigation like this so I'm just kind 960 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:43,680 of making that that point well it's a 961 00:39:49,490 --> 00:39:45,690 thought actually that I was talking to 962 00:39:50,900 --> 00:39:49,500 someone about this morning which started 963 00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:50,910 with this idea of why would somebody be 964 00:39:55,220 --> 00:39:53,520 talking to forever 2015 and why would 965 00:39:57,020 --> 00:39:55,230 Elizondo need to be going and 966 00:39:58,940 --> 00:39:57,030 interviewing everybody in 2017 if they'd 967 00:40:01,880 --> 00:39:58,950 already done this investigation back you 968 00:40:02,750 --> 00:40:01,890 know if a tip was on to it way back but 969 00:40:03,890 --> 00:40:02,760 then the thought occurred to me it 970 00:40:06,170 --> 00:40:03,900 almost sounds like somebody's trying to 971 00:40:07,780 --> 00:40:06,180 retrace the steps and recreate the 972 00:40:11,210 --> 00:40:07,790 appearance of doing this investigation 973 00:40:16,130 --> 00:40:11,220 for a tip but at the same time it 974 00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:16,140 occurred to me if you were going to test 975 00:40:23,240 --> 00:40:20,250 your equipment and make a point to 976 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:23,250 somebody it wouldn't be bad to test it 977 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:24,450 around your own strike group because you 978 00:40:27,980 --> 00:40:25,650 know there's not gonna be anybody else 979 00:40:30,829 --> 00:40:27,990 around there and apparently they make 980 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:30,839 sure these guys don't have live ammo and 981 00:40:35,780 --> 00:40:33,450 if you can fly around out there and your 982 00:40:37,970 --> 00:40:35,790 special radar seems to be able to pick 983 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:37,980 them up although some other really 984 00:40:41,150 --> 00:40:39,690 interesting articles I could create a 985 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:41,160 lot of credit to title rogue away in the 986 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:42,690 drive and Tim McMillan they write some 987 00:40:47,300 --> 00:40:44,690 good articles on special projects and 988 00:40:48,829 --> 00:40:47,310 yeah new to radar technologies and 989 00:40:51,410 --> 00:40:48,839 whatnot and this whole idea that there's 990 00:40:53,300 --> 00:40:51,420 I think it was called nemesis some type 991 00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:53,310 of ability to shoot drones out that 992 00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:55,680 would like fake the presence of Navy 993 00:40:59,690 --> 00:40:57,330 carrier carriers and other things out 994 00:41:04,490 --> 00:40:59,700 there right but if you had something 995 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:04,500 like this tic-tac and you tested it out 996 00:41:08,660 --> 00:41:06,690 there and you showed whoever the 997 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:08,670 dog-and-pony show to their senators or 998 00:41:13,250 --> 00:41:10,410 whomever that you've got this stuff 999 00:41:15,260 --> 00:41:13,260 nobody has maybe one of the first things 1000 00:41:17,450 --> 00:41:15,270 you'd want to do is make sure it looked 1001 00:41:19,420 --> 00:41:17,460 like you didn't have it that you didn't 1002 00:41:21,740 --> 00:41:19,430 know what it was you might play it up as 1003 00:41:23,060 --> 00:41:21,750 UFOs and now you're desperately looking 1004 00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:23,070 for meta materials and you're trying to 1005 00:41:25,340 --> 00:41:23,440 River 1006 00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:25,350 engineer it so that any of the other 1007 00:41:29,700 --> 00:41:27,730 country's intelligence agents anybody 1008 00:41:31,740 --> 00:41:29,710 who is looking at it would be just as 1009 00:41:33,930 --> 00:41:31,750 confused as you described why would we 1010 00:41:36,300 --> 00:41:33,940 be doing all of this if we already had 1011 00:41:39,090 --> 00:41:36,310 this stuff so I don't know I mean it's 1012 00:41:40,770 --> 00:41:39,100 not saying it's a perfect theory but 1013 00:41:44,190 --> 00:41:40,780 that did occur to me the possibility 1014 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:44,200 that what we're now trying to do is to 1015 00:41:50,580 --> 00:41:48,130 make sure it looks like we don't have it 1016 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:50,590 so nobody's focusing their attention on 1017 00:41:53,100 --> 00:41:51,130 us 1018 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:53,110 nobody's all the spies in the world 1019 00:41:57,230 --> 00:41:55,570 aren't suddenly trying to saturate you 1020 00:41:59,730 --> 00:41:57,240 know you're looking for the information 1021 00:42:03,660 --> 00:41:59,740 but I don't know it's a tough call when 1022 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:03,670 you you know when you think of some of 1023 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:06,610 the and I agree David framers a very 1024 00:42:11,070 --> 00:42:08,530 convincing me just like Kevin day yeah I 1025 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:11,080 mean when I looked at Kevin days first 1026 00:42:15,630 --> 00:42:13,890 one it's just like you can't doubt that 1027 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:15,640 something happened out there that 1028 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:17,770 whatever it was had a real serious you 1029 00:42:22,650 --> 00:42:20,170 know impact on these guys I don't know 1030 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:22,660 what the rest of the so story is but 1031 00:42:28,260 --> 00:42:25,090 something something was out there 1032 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:28,270 I just don't know whose it was right 1033 00:42:34,260 --> 00:42:31,690 another question I've asked on this show 1034 00:42:36,450 --> 00:42:34,270 before but I haven't asked you what you 1035 00:42:39,060 --> 00:42:36,460 thought about it why do you suppose some 1036 00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:39,070 people had to sign an NDA and some 1037 00:42:43,830 --> 00:42:41,920 people did not like flavor for instance 1038 00:42:46,860 --> 00:42:43,840 I mean why would you know being a 1039 00:42:48,540 --> 00:42:46,870 first-hand witness like that I know he 1040 00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:48,550 was too briefed you know right 1041 00:43:01,800 --> 00:42:54,640 afterwards but I mean no NDA yeah that's 1042 00:43:03,540 --> 00:43:01,810 a tough call now I do think of course 1043 00:43:05,460 --> 00:43:03,550 keep in mind people are being told not 1044 00:43:07,530 --> 00:43:05,470 to talk it's pretty standard fare in 1045 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:07,540 this thing going way back we always hear 1046 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:09,610 about Tommy not men in black but people 1047 00:43:13,860 --> 00:43:11,410 being told you know you didn't see 1048 00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:13,870 anything that's the right answer why the 1049 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:17,680 pilots from what we're told are not told 1050 00:43:23,730 --> 00:43:20,530 we're never told not to talk I don't 1051 00:43:25,740 --> 00:43:23,740 know whether that's because maybe if 1052 00:43:28,050 --> 00:43:25,750 maybe if it was something we were 1053 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:28,060 testing you would know with the advent 1054 00:43:32,310 --> 00:43:30,970 of the internet and would they on zipper 1055 00:43:34,860 --> 00:43:32,320 nets and with people emailing things 1056 00:43:36,750 --> 00:43:34,870 even I think Alex Dietrich the copilot 1057 00:43:38,490 --> 00:43:36,760 framers wing man 1058 00:43:40,500 --> 00:43:38,500 and made a statement that when she got 1059 00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:40,510 back she wrote some notes and sent it 1060 00:43:43,770 --> 00:43:42,160 off mailed it to her aunt at home saying 1061 00:43:47,100 --> 00:43:43,780 hold onto this it's some real x-files 1062 00:43:48,540 --> 00:43:47,110 ya know so maybe you just realized 1063 00:43:50,340 --> 00:43:48,550 at some point these days you're never 1064 00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:50,350 gonna keep it all quiet why do they 1065 00:43:59,490 --> 00:43:54,400 would tell the radar technicians that's 1066 00:44:01,410 --> 00:43:59,500 a good and at the same time I mean in 1067 00:44:03,180 --> 00:44:01,420 all fairness so I made the comment and I 1068 00:44:04,260 --> 00:44:03,190 mentioned it to you before you know some 1069 00:44:06,330 --> 00:44:04,270 of the descriptions of the planes that 1070 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:06,340 went out for a versus encounter earth 1071 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:08,770 being out there an hour how can Kevin 1072 00:44:12,990 --> 00:44:10,570 day not know that how can they not know 1073 00:44:14,970 --> 00:44:13,000 where these planes were and then if you 1074 00:44:17,310 --> 00:44:14,980 were gonna investigate flavor why would 1075 00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:17,320 you also talk to Kevin day he was the 1076 00:44:23,250 --> 00:44:21,520 main man on duty at the time but in all 1077 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:23,260 fairness it occurred to me unless you've 1078 00:44:27,630 --> 00:44:25,810 already got the radar data which you can 1079 00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:27,640 use to recreate everything that would 1080 00:44:30,900 --> 00:44:29,200 have been seen on the radar systems of 1081 00:44:32,490 --> 00:44:30,910 the ships so you might not need to go 1082 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:32,500 back and talk to the technicians anymore 1083 00:44:36,660 --> 00:44:34,450 because you've got all of that somewhere 1084 00:44:40,620 --> 00:44:36,670 I mean I don't have a real answer for 1085 00:44:43,740 --> 00:44:40,630 that I mean that speculation but I don't 1086 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:43,750 know whether and keep in mind as I 1087 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:45,490 mentioned earlier to you I think how put 1088 00:44:51,420 --> 00:44:47,770 off in his SSC conference stated that 1089 00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:51,430 these Navy pilots were permitted to talk 1090 00:44:57,780 --> 00:44:55,930 about this my idea I have no real good 1091 00:44:59,040 --> 00:44:57,790 explanation but my gut feeling right now 1092 00:45:02,130 --> 00:44:59,050 from everything that I've looked at with 1093 00:45:03,720 --> 00:45:02,140 his paper seems to suggest there was a 1094 00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:03,730 narrative that they were willing to use 1095 00:45:08,700 --> 00:45:05,200 and they wanted her to use the Nimitz 1096 00:45:10,110 --> 00:45:08,710 case and why have 15 different 1097 00:45:11,970 --> 00:45:10,120 encounters or three different encounters 1098 00:45:14,130 --> 00:45:11,980 out there if you can just narrow it down 1099 00:45:16,530 --> 00:45:14,140 to the one instance which flavor was 1100 00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:16,540 involved in tell him he can talk about 1101 00:45:19,710 --> 00:45:18,160 anything he wants but this is the 1102 00:45:21,330 --> 00:45:19,720 narrative Hurst was out there right 1103 00:45:22,770 --> 00:45:21,340 before you we called him off and you go 1104 00:45:24,270 --> 00:45:22,780 I don't even know why they would mention 1105 00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:24,280 Kurth if he was at Bigler airspace 1106 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:26,050 except that Paco mentioned him in that 1107 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:28,810 2015 article so curse name was already 1108 00:45:37,230 --> 00:45:32,290 out there but maybe they at some point 1109 00:45:39,570 --> 00:45:37,240 wanted the pilots to speak or didn't 1110 00:45:41,240 --> 00:45:39,580 want yeah I don't know it's curious 1111 00:45:44,460 --> 00:45:41,250 because when the executive summary was 1112 00:45:45,810 --> 00:45:44,470 Eric Davis apparently according to what 1113 00:45:49,290 --> 00:45:45,820 I heard Linda Howe saying one of her 1114 00:45:50,099 --> 00:45:49,300 shows had said that the original report 1115 00:45:53,450 --> 00:45:50,109 was 1116 00:45:56,609 --> 00:45:53,460 put on Navy and DOD stationery 1117 00:45:59,279 --> 00:45:56,619 specifically I think to keep it from 1118 00:46:02,759 --> 00:45:59,289 being classified but then later on the 1119 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:02,769 DIA classified it why would you not want 1120 00:46:05,970 --> 00:46:04,450 it classified or was that an effort to 1121 00:46:07,890 --> 00:46:05,980 keep it out of the hands of people who 1122 00:46:09,749 --> 00:46:07,900 would classify it right you can just 1123 00:46:11,009 --> 00:46:09,759 leave it in your drawer you can take it 1124 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:11,019 with you where you want don't have to 1125 00:46:15,749 --> 00:46:13,690 answer questions maybe not having the 1126 00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:15,759 pilots talk about it or maybe they were 1127 00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:18,249 told not to talk and maybe somebody went 1128 00:46:22,650 --> 00:46:19,839 back later and said okay we're gonna do 1129 00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:22,660 this thing now now you can talk about it 1130 00:46:26,849 --> 00:46:24,880 you just can't tell us yeah I can guess 1131 00:46:28,529 --> 00:46:26,859 all day long what if they were told 1132 00:46:31,650 --> 00:46:28,539 don't speak about it 1133 00:46:33,809 --> 00:46:31,660 you mean an effing connector initially 1134 00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:33,819 yeah or they were told don't discuss 1135 00:46:36,839 --> 00:46:35,680 this but now somebody comes back and 1136 00:46:39,809 --> 00:46:36,849 says all right we're gonna give you 1137 00:46:42,359 --> 00:46:39,819 permit us how as Hal said permitted to 1138 00:46:44,579 --> 00:46:42,369 speak about it now well you know I'm 1139 00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:44,589 gonna have a real good answer there you 1140 00:46:49,859 --> 00:46:47,200 sent me a link to Paco actually being 1141 00:46:52,109 --> 00:46:49,869 interviewed and sure Ricci is that how 1142 00:46:54,420 --> 00:46:52,119 you say his last name I think I think so 1143 00:46:56,489 --> 00:46:54,430 some to BG yeah so he's being 1144 00:46:59,579 --> 00:46:56,499 interviewed and he said that he was 1145 00:47:01,979 --> 00:46:59,589 talking about David talking with David 1146 00:47:04,829 --> 00:47:01,989 in a bar several years ago you know 1147 00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:04,839 previous to 2015 when he heard that 1148 00:47:10,349 --> 00:47:08,079 story first so to me that sounds like 1149 00:47:11,339 --> 00:47:10,359 David was able to talk about it whenever 1150 00:47:13,859 --> 00:47:11,349 he wanted to 1151 00:47:15,779 --> 00:47:13,869 that's about yeah exactly a valid point 1152 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:15,789 if he was one talking David flavor has 1153 00:47:18,210 --> 00:47:16,930 made the comment they'd sit around the 1154 00:47:19,950 --> 00:47:18,220 bar and talk about the strangest things 1155 00:47:23,819 --> 00:47:19,960 they've seen and he said I chased a UFO 1156 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:23,829 and I agree that that's a conflict why 1157 00:47:30,690 --> 00:47:26,410 would the text be told not to speak of 1158 00:47:32,279 --> 00:47:30,700 it except I don't accept this the texts 1159 00:47:34,620 --> 00:47:32,289 were apparently told not to speak about 1160 00:47:38,579 --> 00:47:34,630 it by whoever came on board their ships 1161 00:47:40,799 --> 00:47:38,589 and confiscated the data I'm not heard 1162 00:47:43,470 --> 00:47:40,809 of anybody coming on board to flavor in 1163 00:47:44,700 --> 00:47:43,480 his peril off the ready room and going 1164 00:47:47,099 --> 00:47:44,710 in there and say it hand over the tapes 1165 00:47:48,989 --> 00:47:47,109 and don't speak about it so perhaps it's 1166 00:47:50,579 --> 00:47:48,999 only the people who happen to be in a 1167 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:50,589 position to have encountered those 1168 00:47:55,609 --> 00:47:53,650 whoever they were that flew in and said 1169 00:47:57,870 --> 00:47:55,619 give us all the data and took it away 1170 00:48:00,180 --> 00:47:57,880 maybe they were told that by whoever 1171 00:48:01,769 --> 00:48:00,190 flew in to take the data but you 1172 00:48:03,299 --> 00:48:01,779 couldn't go and talk to everybody and 1173 00:48:03,720 --> 00:48:03,309 the pilots and everybody else on every 1174 00:48:05,580 --> 00:48:03,730 single 1175 00:48:07,470 --> 00:48:05,590 ship especially if it there was no 1176 00:48:09,420 --> 00:48:07,480 reason for you to go there so it wasn't 1177 00:48:11,010 --> 00:48:09,430 the ad to my understanding it wasn't the 1178 00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:11,020 captains of the boat it wasn't the 1179 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:13,570 Admiral see the Navy contacting 1180 00:48:18,930 --> 00:48:16,210 everybody and saying don't talk sounds 1181 00:48:21,720 --> 00:48:18,940 to me like it was just the people who 1182 00:48:23,220 --> 00:48:21,730 came into the purpose of these guys who 1183 00:48:24,900 --> 00:48:23,230 supposedly flew in and wanted to 1184 00:48:27,290 --> 00:48:24,910 confiscate the tapes and the drives and 1185 00:48:29,730 --> 00:48:27,300 all of that who say they were told and 1186 00:48:31,770 --> 00:48:29,740 had signed non-disclosure agreements 1187 00:48:33,570 --> 00:48:31,780 maybe it's just for aver doesn't hang 1188 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:33,580 out with those guys maybe he was not in 1189 00:48:38,700 --> 00:48:35,290 a location where the men who came in on 1190 00:48:41,730 --> 00:48:38,710 the planes were but but you're right 1191 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:41,740 it's something another question that I 1192 00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:43,210 don't understand I can't I don't have an 1193 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:47,440 answer for ya another part of what you 1194 00:48:54,750 --> 00:48:50,410 touch on quite a bit actually is you 1195 00:48:56,820 --> 00:48:54,760 know why the Navy you know it's kind of 1196 00:48:59,130 --> 00:48:56,830 an interesting problem you know the need 1197 00:49:01,230 --> 00:48:59,140 and not other branches but there there's 1198 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:01,240 there's some type of connection there 1199 00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:06,010 and also with t TSA as well yeah that 1200 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:07,330 was you're right that's one of the very 1201 00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:09,130 very first things that I the questions I 1202 00:49:15,630 --> 00:49:13,690 had was why is the Navy one of the prime 1203 00:49:17,609 --> 00:49:15,640 players the witnesses are all from the 1204 00:49:20,460 --> 00:49:17,619 Navy the ships were out there that was 1205 00:49:23,550 --> 00:49:20,470 all Navy the Navy it seems to be doing 1206 00:49:26,070 --> 00:49:23,560 the investigation that maybe changes 1207 00:49:28,940 --> 00:49:26,080 their reporting things publicly comes 1208 00:49:31,470 --> 00:49:28,950 out and says ok wasn't the Air Force and 1209 00:49:33,660 --> 00:49:31,480 forever people have generally considered 1210 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:33,670 if it's UFOs the Air Force is in charge 1211 00:49:39,630 --> 00:49:37,210 and I don't know whether I mean just 1212 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:39,640 speculating here but what if it was the 1213 00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:41,290 people who came in and took all the 1214 00:49:45,300 --> 00:49:42,880 radar tapes who were picked at all this 1215 00:49:47,250 --> 00:49:45,310 stuff that were part of the old bastion 1216 00:49:48,930 --> 00:49:47,260 Air Force of whomever who had the 1217 00:49:51,390 --> 00:49:48,940 authority to come in and demand those 1218 00:49:52,950 --> 00:49:51,400 tapes and the Navy didn't like it this 1219 00:49:54,090 --> 00:49:52,960 is the Navy's got pilots out there that 1220 00:49:56,970 --> 00:49:54,100 are encountering these things and their 1221 00:49:58,650 --> 00:49:56,980 new radar systems and the you know that 1222 00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:58,660 they've got can detect these objects and 1223 00:50:02,820 --> 00:50:00,160 everybody's seen these things things and 1224 00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:02,830 then suddenly realizes now we nice 1225 00:50:07,290 --> 00:50:05,200 things are here and we've been standing 1226 00:50:09,570 --> 00:50:07,300 behind whoever's been calling the shots 1227 00:50:12,900 --> 00:50:09,580 on this before I don't know it's curious 1228 00:50:14,190 --> 00:50:12,910 that in the TV episode even Christopher 1229 00:50:15,720 --> 00:50:14,200 Mellon makes the comment you know we're 1230 00:50:19,290 --> 00:50:15,730 not trying to do an end run around 1231 00:50:21,150 --> 00:50:19,300 government interesting thought to bring 1232 00:50:24,540 --> 00:50:21,160 up you know if you're doing some kind of 1233 00:50:26,190 --> 00:50:24,550 run but but yeah I mean and I have had 1234 00:50:27,630 --> 00:50:26,200 plenty of people and you know as well as 1235 00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:27,640 I do in this in the history of this 1236 00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:30,880 phenomenon sightings out who in the 1237 00:50:35,070 --> 00:50:32,650 ocean things coming in and going out of 1238 00:50:37,530 --> 00:50:35,080 the ocean maybe experiences some of 1239 00:50:39,570 --> 00:50:37,540 those are the most amazing ones for the 1240 00:50:41,340 --> 00:50:39,580 simple fact that even in the case of the 1241 00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:41,350 nimitz episode people thought about talk 1242 00:50:46,650 --> 00:50:43,890 about why would we be testing things 1243 00:50:48,750 --> 00:50:46,660 hundred miles off the coast instead of 1244 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:48,760 just doing it at area 51 where it's all 1245 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:51,490 safe why would you risk flying something 1246 00:50:55,859 --> 00:50:53,290 way out there and if it's flying around 1247 00:50:57,930 --> 00:50:55,869 out there it's probably not a it's not 1248 00:50:59,730 --> 00:50:57,940 drug runners or something that far out 1249 00:51:03,240 --> 00:50:59,740 there over the middle of a Navy Carrier 1250 00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:03,250 Strike Group but uh uh you know the 1251 00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:04,960 Navy's been at this for a long time even 1252 00:51:10,859 --> 00:51:08,050 back when well I don't you know need me 1253 00:51:12,690 --> 00:51:10,869 to explain that but but yeah that comes 1254 00:51:16,740 --> 00:51:12,700 up quite a bit people wonder why is the 1255 00:51:18,540 --> 00:51:16,750 Navy now seem to be behind this you know 1256 00:51:19,830 --> 00:51:18,550 there was a compliment from the lady I 1257 00:51:20,910 --> 00:51:19,840 think it wasn't some of the requests 1258 00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:20,920 that people were sending in for 1259 00:51:25,770 --> 00:51:22,960 information on a tip and who's in charge 1260 00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:25,780 and a lady susan Groff I think was her 1261 00:51:29,099 --> 00:51:27,130 name at the office of the Secretary of 1262 00:51:30,540 --> 00:51:29,109 Defense and they had apparently been 1263 00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:30,550 getting feedback from the air from the 1264 00:51:34,500 --> 00:51:33,280 air force as well and office of 1265 00:51:36,780 --> 00:51:34,510 Secretary of Defense finally said look 1266 00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:36,790 we're gonna be the point man on this so 1267 00:51:41,700 --> 00:51:38,170 if you have any information you need to 1268 00:51:43,290 --> 00:51:41,710 clear send it to them which maybe that's 1269 00:51:45,510 --> 00:51:43,300 just stop some of the contention between 1270 00:51:48,750 --> 00:51:45,520 the Air Force and the Navy over who's 1271 00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:48,760 saying what but but once again it was 1272 00:51:53,310 --> 00:51:50,650 the OSD involvement at that point which 1273 00:51:55,170 --> 00:51:53,320 is kind of where elizondo's got into all 1274 00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:55,180 of this which there's another thing I 1275 00:52:00,030 --> 00:51:57,490 think I fairly well decided that 1276 00:52:03,150 --> 00:52:00,040 Elizondo was way up there not just some 1277 00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:03,160 guy at the Pentagon that his I actually 1278 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:06,250 did a search for a national program 1279 00:52:13,890 --> 00:52:11,130 special management staff which is on his 1280 00:52:15,300 --> 00:52:13,900 signed his resignation that he was the 1281 00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:15,310 director of national program special 1282 00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:17,440 management staff there's practically 1283 00:52:21,690 --> 00:52:19,450 nothing on them at least available on 1284 00:52:23,370 --> 00:52:21,700 the internet I found one entry but it 1285 00:52:25,890 --> 00:52:23,380 has to do with a high level place a 1286 00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:25,900 group of people who are involved with 1287 00:52:31,099 --> 00:52:28,410 these special access programs 1288 00:52:34,099 --> 00:52:31,109 and looking into that is what pretty 1289 00:52:36,529 --> 00:52:34,109 well convinced me that I have a feeling 1290 00:52:39,230 --> 00:52:36,539 Elizondo was a part of this way up at 1291 00:52:41,240 --> 00:52:39,240 the top when whatever started in 2007 1292 00:52:43,970 --> 00:52:41,250 was first getting designated as a 1293 00:52:47,529 --> 00:52:43,980 special access program or at least 1294 00:52:50,779 --> 00:52:47,539 something that required his input on it 1295 00:52:52,849 --> 00:52:50,789 but I you know it's kind of the whole 1296 00:52:54,529 --> 00:52:52,859 idea of a tip and offset and if a tip 1297 00:52:57,170 --> 00:52:54,539 was just a nickname that special access 1298 00:52:59,779 --> 00:52:57,180 programs often get nickname things oh 1299 00:53:02,539 --> 00:52:59,789 man that's but then how it comes out and 1300 00:53:03,799 --> 00:53:02,549 says but all set was just one I mean 1301 00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:03,809 I've had the quote right in front of me 1302 00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:07,200 but in his sse conference paper report 1303 00:53:12,049 --> 00:53:09,599 he mentions that you know that this was 1304 00:53:13,249 --> 00:53:12,059 just one program when the money ran out 1305 00:53:14,569 --> 00:53:13,259 of it it wasn't just the end of 1306 00:53:16,099 --> 00:53:14,579 everything they were doesn't mean that 1307 00:53:17,660 --> 00:53:16,109 that funding was all the funding there 1308 00:53:20,269 --> 00:53:17,670 was for whatever other programs there 1309 00:53:22,609 --> 00:53:20,279 were so once again it's a lot of 1310 00:53:24,049 --> 00:53:22,619 questions but things just don't seem to 1311 00:53:26,749 --> 00:53:24,059 be adding up and I don't know what that 1312 00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:26,759 spells what does it spell out I mean 1313 00:53:31,339 --> 00:53:29,730 does it mean that it's a bunch of you 1314 00:53:33,170 --> 00:53:31,349 know I mean I'd laugh when I think of 1315 00:53:35,180 --> 00:53:33,180 the analogy people talk about you know 1316 00:53:37,099 --> 00:53:35,190 the Wizard of Oz and don't look at the 1317 00:53:38,749 --> 00:53:37,109 man behind the curtain you know as 1318 00:53:41,299 --> 00:53:38,759 though as though there's something in 1319 00:53:43,460 --> 00:53:41,309 Makaveli on going on but if you remember 1320 00:53:46,370 --> 00:53:43,470 the story the guy behind the curtain was 1321 00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:46,380 a good guy and yeah in The Wizard of Oz 1322 00:53:49,700 --> 00:53:48,089 he was an okay guy in the long run it 1323 00:53:51,950 --> 00:53:49,710 was just the way it was being done that 1324 00:53:54,529 --> 00:53:51,960 makes people suspicious and that may be 1325 00:53:56,359 --> 00:53:54,539 the case here but I don't know it just 1326 00:53:59,240 --> 00:53:56,369 when you're not getting the full story 1327 00:54:00,349 --> 00:53:59,250 and things seemed well even at this 1328 00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:00,359 point it's not holding together 1329 00:54:04,789 --> 00:54:03,210 perfectly well because if you look 1330 00:54:08,089 --> 00:54:04,799 closely at it you can get all of these 1331 00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:08,099 discrepancies that time right you know 1332 00:54:14,450 --> 00:54:10,170 even going down to the idea of the 1333 00:54:16,609 --> 00:54:14,460 attack having smooth no features and in 1334 00:54:18,170 --> 00:54:16,619 the recent interview with uh I think it 1335 00:54:19,940 --> 00:54:18,180 was Puckle she reaches interview where 1336 00:54:21,609 --> 00:54:19,950 he's going back over there woman I 1337 00:54:25,220 --> 00:54:21,619 investigation and and he does 1338 00:54:26,779 --> 00:54:25,230 unfortunately kind of convey some of the 1339 00:54:28,819 --> 00:54:26,789 same attitude towards some of the other 1340 00:54:31,220 --> 00:54:28,829 witnesses that no none of that happened 1341 00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:31,230 it wasn't you know with it you know but 1342 00:54:34,609 --> 00:54:32,730 then again what about the story of 1343 00:54:37,370 --> 00:54:34,619 flavor having claimed that he saw these 1344 00:54:40,009 --> 00:54:37,380 two extensions a little antenna or the 1345 00:54:42,410 --> 00:54:40,019 little tiny Frank yeah he saw how that 1346 00:54:44,809 --> 00:54:42,420 was closed up and and even in the 1347 00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:44,819 and the SCU report it's got a sketch in 1348 00:54:47,780 --> 00:54:46,890 there with two little extensions on them 1349 00:54:49,069 --> 00:54:47,790 but I don't think there's any 1350 00:54:51,230 --> 00:54:49,079 attribution for where the sketch came 1351 00:54:52,970 --> 00:54:51,240 from in favors interview with Jeremy 1352 00:54:54,559 --> 00:54:52,980 Korbel he's very clear about it that you 1353 00:54:56,359 --> 00:54:54,569 could see it clear as day and one of the 1354 00:54:57,770 --> 00:54:56,369 other witnesses I college eyes I can't 1355 00:54:59,930 --> 00:54:57,780 remember his name right now who's 1356 00:55:01,579 --> 00:54:59,940 mentioned standing from back from one of 1357 00:55:03,260 --> 00:55:01,589 the screens and I guess somewhere on one 1358 00:55:06,049 --> 00:55:03,270 of the ships and seeing it very very 1359 00:55:08,180 --> 00:55:06,059 clearly hmm maybe then maybe that's why 1360 00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:08,190 they why would you why would they be 1361 00:55:12,470 --> 00:55:09,599 more clear on that and why are our 1362 00:55:17,299 --> 00:55:12,480 videos so fuzzy when they talk about 1363 00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:17,309 what they saw and they're so it's it's 1364 00:55:22,430 --> 00:55:19,530 an interesting so circumstances right 1365 00:55:25,099 --> 00:55:22,440 well we're right at our break at fifty 1366 00:55:28,789 --> 00:55:25,109 five so thank you so much for listening 1367 00:55:31,460 --> 00:55:28,799 everyone on with Christian Lambright and 1368 00:55:35,059 --> 00:55:31,470 we'll be right back right after these 1369 00:55:38,599 --> 00:55:35,069 messages all right welcome back my guest 1370 00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:38,609 tonight is Chris Lambright and we were 1371 00:55:44,599 --> 00:55:40,890 talking before the break 1372 00:55:46,910 --> 00:55:44,609 basically about blue Elizondo and kind 1373 00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:46,920 of a mystery guy I mean I did get the 1374 00:55:54,410 --> 00:55:50,250 pleasure to meet him a year and a half 1375 00:55:56,900 --> 00:55:54,420 ago or so in in New Jersey at a MUFON 1376 00:55:58,940 --> 00:55:56,910 conference and we talked in the lobby 1377 00:56:02,930 --> 00:55:58,950 for like a half hour never even talked 1378 00:56:04,190 --> 00:56:02,940 about UFOs things that he's he collects 1379 00:56:06,380 --> 00:56:04,200 and things like that you know that's 1380 00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:06,390 kind of what we're talking about but you 1381 00:56:12,140 --> 00:56:07,530 know seems like a real straightforward 1382 00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:12,150 guy very intelligent nice a nice person 1383 00:56:18,799 --> 00:56:14,640 to speak with and all that but he said 1384 00:56:21,289 --> 00:56:18,809 he's a little bit of a mystery to in 1385 00:56:22,730 --> 00:56:21,299 general you know with a certainly the 1386 00:56:26,030 --> 00:56:22,740 feedback I've been getting from 1387 00:56:29,089 --> 00:56:26,040 listeners it's you know there's a lot of 1388 00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:29,099 people speculating about him you know 1389 00:56:35,150 --> 00:56:31,290 what are your thoughts in general about 1390 00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:35,160 Lou and before we go on I do want to 1391 00:56:38,030 --> 00:56:36,569 mention this one other thing I remember 1392 00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:38,040 you telling me you were in the room when 1393 00:56:46,099 --> 00:56:41,010 Bill Moore came out and said that he was 1394 00:56:51,319 --> 00:56:46,109 basically you know working for was at 1395 00:56:53,359 --> 00:56:51,329 the CIA who was well he was yeah you 1396 00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:53,369 must be referring to the conference in 1397 00:56:57,300 --> 00:56:54,970 Las Vegas yeah when 1398 00:57:00,240 --> 00:56:57,310 four more came out and pretty well bared 1399 00:57:04,620 --> 00:57:00,250 his soul about having been working with 1400 00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:04,630 I guess it was a FSI or whomever I had 1401 00:57:07,859 --> 00:57:06,250 my own opinions after all that work I 1402 00:57:09,180 --> 00:57:07,869 did looking at the book when it came to 1403 00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:09,190 situations like this where certain 1404 00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:11,050 things just didn't add up you know 1405 00:57:15,180 --> 00:57:12,880 trying to get a chronology and how can 1406 00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:15,190 this happen when that happened but yeah 1407 00:57:17,490 --> 00:57:16,210 there were a lot of us there actually I 1408 00:57:19,079 --> 00:57:17,500 think I was sitting right next to Linda 1409 00:57:21,270 --> 00:57:19,089 Howe at the time and it was like holy 1410 00:57:22,950 --> 00:57:21,280 cow and of course it was a big 1411 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:22,960 revelation to me I remember at the time 1412 00:57:28,290 --> 00:57:25,930 when Bill stood up there and said it all 1413 00:57:29,220 --> 00:57:28,300 began ten years ago with a man named 1414 00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:29,230 Paul bennewitz 1415 00:57:34,829 --> 00:57:32,770 and I wasn't like hallelujah that so 1416 00:57:36,420 --> 00:57:34,839 there you go whatever it was originated 1417 00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:36,430 originated that far back and that's 1418 00:57:40,319 --> 00:57:38,530 where they all kind of got involved with 1419 00:57:44,579 --> 00:57:40,329 it and met Richard Doty and some of that 1420 00:57:46,770 --> 00:57:44,589 kind of stuff but um but Lew Elizondo I 1421 00:57:50,370 --> 00:57:46,780 do not know personally I don't have I 1422 00:57:52,410 --> 00:57:50,380 mean he's you know in a way I judge a 1423 00:57:53,550 --> 00:57:52,420 lot based on a person's face and their 1424 00:57:55,740 --> 00:57:53,560 demeanor and the way they come across 1425 00:57:59,370 --> 00:57:55,750 and he does yeah he strikes me as a 1426 00:58:00,839 --> 00:57:59,380 straight-up guy and part of me also says 1427 00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:00,849 you problem less you're able to work 1428 00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:03,490 with people and do the job you don't 1429 00:58:07,230 --> 00:58:05,770 rise up into the levels that he was at 1430 00:58:08,250 --> 00:58:07,240 least it at the office of the 1431 00:58:10,890 --> 00:58:08,260 Undersecretary of defense for 1432 00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:10,900 intelligence and of course and I think 1433 00:58:12,809 --> 00:58:12,010 other people have asked him well you 1434 00:58:14,339 --> 00:58:12,819 know you were supposed to be in 1435 00:58:17,550 --> 00:58:14,349 counterintelligence why should we trust 1436 00:58:19,980 --> 00:58:17,560 you now yes in a way you assumed that 1437 00:58:21,750 --> 00:58:19,990 you know I guess my age you kind of 1438 00:58:26,550 --> 00:58:21,760 learned to just trust everybody but cut 1439 00:58:29,660 --> 00:58:26,560 the cards so you know beyond that I mean 1440 00:58:32,579 --> 00:58:29,670 I thought it was interesting when he 1441 00:58:35,220 --> 00:58:32,589 supposedly had resigned and went to work 1442 00:58:37,710 --> 00:58:35,230 with to the Stars where he said he had 1443 00:58:40,470 --> 00:58:37,720 to leave or quit what he was doing to 1444 00:58:42,150 --> 00:58:40,480 continue the mission once again asking 1445 00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:42,160 an intriguing kind of a way to word it 1446 00:58:47,430 --> 00:58:45,040 he didn't just say just quit these guys 1447 00:58:49,410 --> 00:58:47,440 and go do something else so it always 1448 00:58:50,970 --> 00:58:49,420 makes you wonder is the mission still 1449 00:58:54,540 --> 00:58:50,980 ongoing and what was the mission to 1450 00:58:55,980 --> 00:58:54,550 begin with and originally until I began 1451 00:58:58,050 --> 00:58:55,990 to looking looking at these kind of 1452 00:59:00,930 --> 00:58:58,060 questions you know as far as anybody 1453 00:59:03,650 --> 00:59:00,940 knew the story was he was a guy at the 1454 00:59:06,930 --> 00:59:03,660 Pentagon directing the a tip program and 1455 00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:06,940 I am at least my impression had been 1456 00:59:10,180 --> 00:59:08,480 maybe it was everyone's 1457 00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:10,190 that the money that came from a tip and 1458 00:59:16,570 --> 00:59:13,250 aw snap was used to basically cover the 1459 00:59:18,970 --> 00:59:16,580 costs of Lu directing the a tip program 1460 00:59:20,530 --> 00:59:18,980 at the Pentagon and that's the way it 1461 00:59:23,260 --> 00:59:20,540 seemed to me it was presented in the 1462 00:59:25,620 --> 00:59:23,270 original newspaper articles so it was a 1463 00:59:30,060 --> 00:59:25,630 little bit kind of an unusual thing when 1464 00:59:34,359 --> 00:59:30,070 his resignation letters turns up and 1465 00:59:36,310 --> 00:59:34,369 doesn't say dia or whatever it doesn't 1466 00:59:37,690 --> 00:59:36,320 you know doesn't of course I think John 1467 00:59:39,550 --> 00:59:37,700 Alexander wants before I say no people 1468 00:59:41,980 --> 00:59:39,560 say the Pentagon and you forget this is 1469 00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:41,990 like a small city it's a huge place you 1470 00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:43,250 can't just say Pentagon and it's one 1471 00:59:47,950 --> 00:59:45,410 cohesive bunch right so in this 1472 00:59:49,330 --> 00:59:47,960 particular case and for all I know Lou 1473 00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:49,340 may have had an office in the Pentagon 1474 00:59:53,380 --> 00:59:51,290 for sure so that could be okay 1475 00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:53,390 I mean that way but it's when you 1476 00:59:58,870 --> 00:59:57,440 realized that he's resigning and of 1477 01:00:01,300 --> 00:59:58,880 course I wonder does everybody who 1478 01:00:03,910 --> 01:00:01,310 resigns just send a letter to mattis and 1479 01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:03,920 say I'm out and that's your resignation 1480 01:00:07,540 --> 01:00:05,810 isn't there a little more standard 1481 01:00:10,359 --> 01:00:07,550 protocol for how people in the military 1482 01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:10,369 resigned than just that so I don't know 1483 01:00:15,670 --> 01:00:13,490 whether he just moved his office to to 1484 01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:15,680 the stars and continued but when I began 1485 01:00:20,020 --> 01:00:18,010 to realize okay well what exactly is the 1486 01:00:23,349 --> 01:00:20,030 national program special management 1487 01:00:24,670 --> 01:00:23,359 staff that he's the director of and I 1488 01:00:27,250 --> 01:00:24,680 did some work and you can find some 1489 01:00:29,890 --> 01:00:27,260 things online there's some place I found 1490 01:00:33,190 --> 01:00:29,900 that had a curriculum posted for a some 1491 01:00:34,030 --> 01:00:33,200 kind of the universe gives people who 1492 01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:34,040 are coming into these positions 1493 01:00:37,780 --> 01:00:36,050 backgrounds and special access programs 1494 01:00:39,700 --> 01:00:37,790 and the best special access program 1495 01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:39,710 Oversight Committee and then the senior 1496 01:00:44,470 --> 01:00:42,770 review group and you realize like some 1497 01:00:46,420 --> 01:00:44,480 people have said you know that these 1498 01:00:48,609 --> 01:00:46,430 kinds of programs sometimes most of your 1499 01:00:50,849 --> 01:00:48,619 money is just spent on keeping the 1500 01:00:53,020 --> 01:00:50,859 secret on the security of it not 1501 01:00:55,450 --> 01:00:53,030 actually doing whatever the work was 1502 01:00:58,330 --> 01:00:55,460 it's kind of a yeah so it's like you 1503 01:00:59,950 --> 01:00:58,340 yeah I mean you get 22 million and only 1504 01:01:01,810 --> 01:00:59,960 1 million goes to the program because 1505 01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:01,820 the other 20 is mint built to keep this 1506 01:01:05,380 --> 01:01:03,650 thing secret I'm you know I'm laughing 1507 01:01:09,490 --> 01:01:05,390 about that I'm not saying that's true 1508 01:01:12,010 --> 01:01:09,500 but the general idea being that it began 1509 01:01:15,970 --> 01:01:12,020 to occur to me that you know what a guy 1510 01:01:17,890 --> 01:01:15,980 who's high up in the area where the 1511 01:01:20,830 --> 01:01:17,900 security aspects of sensitive programs 1512 01:01:21,250 --> 01:01:20,840 are handled and you're the director of 1513 01:01:23,450 --> 01:01:21,260 this 1514 01:01:25,130 --> 01:01:23,460 special management staff I don't know 1515 01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:25,140 what the normal management staff might 1516 01:01:30,020 --> 01:01:27,650 be began to really make me think and 1517 01:01:32,300 --> 01:01:30,030 comment he made in an interview just 1518 01:01:35,109 --> 01:01:32,310 recently with George Knapp and George 1519 01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:35,119 snaps new kind of a website blogging 1520 01:01:40,250 --> 01:01:37,890 where Elizondo says you know in the ten 1521 01:01:43,070 --> 01:01:40,260 years I was I was with the program where 1522 01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:43,080 I worked the program and that struck me 1523 01:01:48,470 --> 01:01:46,170 wait I thought he got into it somewhere 1524 01:01:51,740 --> 01:01:48,480 around 2010 when he took it over a tip 1525 01:01:54,740 --> 01:01:51,750 and he ran it until 2013 when the money 1526 01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:54,750 ran out so if he was resigned in 2017 1527 01:01:59,390 --> 01:01:56,130 and he was in at ten years that puts him 1528 01:02:01,040 --> 01:01:59,400 back to 2007 which again seems to jive 1529 01:02:03,650 --> 01:02:01,050 with what Hal had indicated with curse 1530 01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:03,660 showing up it makes me think somebody 1531 01:02:08,740 --> 01:02:05,850 started some kind of a project or 1532 01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:08,750 program way back in 2007 1533 01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:12,930 whatever it was my feeling probably is 1534 01:02:16,700 --> 01:02:14,730 where the O&I investigation was started 1535 01:02:18,170 --> 01:02:16,710 or somebody may have been doing it 1536 01:02:20,660 --> 01:02:18,180 before then it decided they needed a 1537 01:02:22,100 --> 01:02:20,670 special access program somehow that 1538 01:02:25,670 --> 01:02:22,110 involved the office of the secretary 1539 01:02:27,050 --> 01:02:25,680 defense somehow Lou Elizondo it wasn't 1540 01:02:28,340 --> 01:02:27,060 just some guy that they knocked on his 1541 01:02:29,810 --> 01:02:28,350 door and said oh guess what you're about 1542 01:02:31,970 --> 01:02:29,820 to hear everything there is about UFOs 1543 01:02:33,890 --> 01:02:31,980 and we want you to send this stuff and 1544 01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:33,900 he had no clue before that something 1545 01:02:39,970 --> 01:02:36,330 tells me he was way up somewhere that's 1546 01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:39,980 just my my feelings at this point but 1547 01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:44,730 it's hard for me I don't know I guess 1548 01:02:51,290 --> 01:02:48,810 it's episode of - the unidentified where 1549 01:02:52,940 --> 01:02:51,300 they actually had this segment about you 1550 01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:52,950 know the fifth episode where it was 1551 01:02:56,900 --> 01:02:55,200 segments of objects flying over nuclear 1552 01:03:00,200 --> 01:02:56,910 weapons areas the one that involved 1553 01:03:02,060 --> 01:03:00,210 Kirtland and all of this and I began to 1554 01:03:04,310 --> 01:03:02,070 think and I watched that thing five 1555 01:03:07,250 --> 01:03:04,320 times and made notes and just to be sure 1556 01:03:08,870 --> 01:03:07,260 I had that but this much right that they 1557 01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:08,880 would have all these episodes these two 1558 01:03:13,130 --> 01:03:10,770 segments with special effects showing 1559 01:03:14,780 --> 01:03:13,140 you know objects coming over in the 1560 01:03:17,390 --> 01:03:14,790 directions of nuclear facilities they 1561 01:03:20,810 --> 01:03:17,400 had Rendlesham they had recreations they 1562 01:03:23,030 --> 01:03:20,820 had the witnesses named them and then 1563 01:03:25,370 --> 01:03:23,040 they put the wall went on that they had 1564 01:03:28,130 --> 01:03:25,380 Richard Doty in crab fish basically 1565 01:03:31,390 --> 01:03:28,140 throw Paul under the bus never mention 1566 01:03:34,390 --> 01:03:31,400 him by name no CGI's no comments and 1567 01:03:37,330 --> 01:03:34,400 then a few minutes later you have 1568 01:03:39,190 --> 01:03:37,340 Lu Elizondo Christopher Mellon saying 1569 01:03:40,630 --> 01:03:39,200 that you know it's actually illegal to 1570 01:03:43,990 --> 01:03:40,640 do an operation against your own 1571 01:03:46,810 --> 01:03:44,000 citizenry and if we were told to do that 1572 01:03:48,430 --> 01:03:46,820 I wouldn't do it because and you know 1573 01:03:52,030 --> 01:03:48,440 I'd look at their faces and I believe 1574 01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:52,040 them but did they not know that a minute 1575 01:03:55,330 --> 01:03:53,330 before to miss before in the same 1576 01:03:56,770 --> 01:03:55,340 episode they're gonna have a guy on 1577 01:03:59,320 --> 01:03:56,780 there talking about how they screwed 1578 01:04:00,760 --> 01:03:59,330 over Paul bennewitz basically pushed him 1579 01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:00,770 over the edge and convincing him ho he 1580 01:04:05,950 --> 01:04:03,050 keep quiet and all this exactly the 1581 01:04:07,650 --> 01:04:05,960 opposite which you know even Tim 1582 01:04:10,870 --> 01:04:07,660 McMillan wrote me today is basically 1583 01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:10,880 that's exactly the legality that they 1584 01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:13,130 were talking about that it's illegal to 1585 01:04:17,100 --> 01:04:15,170 do a minute later in the program that's 1586 01:04:20,470 --> 01:04:17,110 a conflict I have a hard time with that 1587 01:04:22,030 --> 01:04:20,480 yellow eyes that must be in the cutting 1588 01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:22,040 room you know huh 1589 01:04:26,770 --> 01:04:24,650 I suppose but once again who picked that 1590 01:04:28,510 --> 01:04:26,780 who edited that that honestly made me 1591 01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:28,520 think somebody has to have some kind of 1592 01:04:33,460 --> 01:04:31,250 editorial control to choose the episodes 1593 01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:33,470 to put in there and then it at that one 1594 01:04:39,310 --> 01:04:35,930 segment specifically the way they did 1595 01:04:40,630 --> 01:04:39,320 and to say you didn't know I mean you 1596 01:04:42,430 --> 01:04:40,640 and I both know there's been all sorts 1597 01:04:44,020 --> 01:04:42,440 of talk recently about Richard Doty 1598 01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:44,030 having worked with helped put off and 1599 01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:46,730 everybody knows duties background why 1600 01:04:52,060 --> 01:04:49,570 would you put him on a program like that 1601 01:04:54,340 --> 01:04:52,070 knowing his background talking about 1602 01:04:56,740 --> 01:04:54,350 something that no threats against 1603 01:04:57,850 --> 01:04:56,750 nuclear weapons areas the exact opposite 1604 01:05:00,280 --> 01:04:57,860 of what the other two segments were 1605 01:05:02,140 --> 01:05:00,290 about and maybe they didn't know I mean 1606 01:05:03,460 --> 01:05:02,150 I get it that was all excuse me Tom 1607 01:05:05,950 --> 01:05:03,470 DeLonge is supposed to be in charge of 1608 01:05:08,460 --> 01:05:05,960 the entertainment end but whoever was 1609 01:05:11,020 --> 01:05:08,470 deciding to edit that program that way 1610 01:05:13,780 --> 01:05:11,030 you know who stands it who stands up for 1611 01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:13,790 Paul who if if it was illegal what was 1612 01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:17,450 done to him hmm so uh I don't know Danny 1613 01:05:21,790 --> 01:05:19,490 even then I'm not pointing a finger at 1614 01:05:24,430 --> 01:05:21,800 anybody I just but back to Elizondo I 1615 01:05:27,370 --> 01:05:24,440 just at this stage my my impression is 1616 01:05:29,380 --> 01:05:27,380 this is a well-qualified guy who's done 1617 01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:29,390 this a long time in the position he had 1618 01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:30,650 at the office of the undersecretary of 1619 01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:33,410 defense for intelligence that's way up 1620 01:05:39,130 --> 01:05:36,890 there I think that's not just a newbie 1621 01:05:40,990 --> 01:05:39,140 sitting at the Pentagon calling UFO 1622 01:05:42,940 --> 01:05:41,000 reports you know that sort of thing you 1623 01:05:44,830 --> 01:05:42,950 mean it I think he had yeah go ahead I'm 1624 01:05:48,100 --> 01:05:44,840 sorry well you made an interesting point 1625 01:05:53,020 --> 01:05:48,110 just a minute ago you said if he 1626 01:05:56,170 --> 01:05:53,030 actually did resign he said something 1627 01:05:59,410 --> 01:05:56,180 like that I mean is that relation out 1628 01:06:02,260 --> 01:05:59,420 there that he may still be part of that 1629 01:06:03,850 --> 01:06:02,270 is maybe it's maybe it's just me but I 1630 01:06:05,710 --> 01:06:03,860 mean you notice in his resignation 1631 01:06:08,380 --> 01:06:05,720 letter there were and I in some place I 1632 01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:08,390 read that it said something that sounded 1633 01:06:15,460 --> 01:06:11,810 like he had deferred his retirement not 1634 01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:15,470 sure and I will say I will say from my 1635 01:06:19,390 --> 01:06:17,210 own experience when I was working on my 1636 01:06:21,310 --> 01:06:19,400 book there's an entire summary section 1637 01:06:23,530 --> 01:06:21,320 at the end that relates to Richard Doty 1638 01:06:25,780 --> 01:06:23,540 and John Lear and some operations going 1639 01:06:27,820 --> 01:06:25,790 on in Laos and back in the days of the 1640 01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:27,830 Vietnam War what you find out it was we 1641 01:06:30,370 --> 01:06:28,970 weren't to put Mixon says well I 1642 01:06:32,530 --> 01:06:30,380 supposed to have anybody over there in 1643 01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:32,540 Vietnam so they do what's called sheep 1644 01:06:37,180 --> 01:06:35,050 dipping they take the army guys 1645 01:06:38,500 --> 01:06:37,190 supposedly kick him out get him out of 1646 01:06:40,630 --> 01:06:38,510 the army they're now working for 1647 01:06:43,090 --> 01:06:40,640 Raytheon and now they're on top of this 1648 01:06:45,670 --> 01:06:43,100 mountain in Laos renting the radar 1649 01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:45,680 systems that are controlling the flight 1650 01:06:51,190 --> 01:06:49,370 so their runs over Hanoi technically 1651 01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:51,200 were working for Raytheon right so Nixon 1652 01:06:57,010 --> 01:06:53,570 can say we don't have any military guys 1653 01:06:58,960 --> 01:06:57,020 in Laos so it's really a clever ploy and 1654 01:07:01,120 --> 01:06:58,970 I'm not suggesting that that's 1655 01:07:03,730 --> 01:07:01,130 necessarily what Elizondo is doing but 1656 01:07:07,590 --> 01:07:03,740 the idea that if you resign from your 1657 01:07:11,950 --> 01:07:07,600 position does that mean he actually quit 1658 01:07:13,690 --> 01:07:11,960 military completely or is he still I 1659 01:07:15,820 --> 01:07:13,700 don't know I don't want to go there make 1660 01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:15,830 it sound like this some big conspiracy 1661 01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:17,930 this conspiracy thing going but it is a 1662 01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:19,610 curious thing because if he just 1663 01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:21,410 resigned his Director position at the 1664 01:07:26,740 --> 01:07:24,530 National Press Duma staff and you'll 1665 01:07:28,990 --> 01:07:26,750 notice and everybody who went suddenly 1666 01:07:32,530 --> 01:07:29,000 to work for to the stars seems to have 1667 01:07:34,450 --> 01:07:32,540 resigned or retired immediately if they 1668 01:07:36,730 --> 01:07:34,460 weren't already retired that Stephen 1669 01:07:38,620 --> 01:07:36,740 Justice the month before boom he retires 1670 01:07:41,350 --> 01:07:38,630 and goes to work for locked for to the 1671 01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:41,360 stars now Lizardo retires or resigns 1672 01:07:45,790 --> 01:07:44,090 poof goes work for to the stars a lot of 1673 01:07:47,470 --> 01:07:45,800 people who were supposedly and it's a 1674 01:07:49,450 --> 01:07:47,480 it's a point that I kind of make in my 1675 01:07:50,650 --> 01:07:49,460 paper when you'll notice even some of 1676 01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:50,660 the people that Tom DeLonge was 1677 01:07:57,300 --> 01:07:54,050 referring to as the general or the CIA 1678 01:08:01,420 --> 01:07:57,310 man a lot of those people and turns out 1679 01:08:04,190 --> 01:08:01,430 they had retired years before in fact 1680 01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:04,200 McCasland who is the Air Force Research 1681 01:08:07,940 --> 01:08:06,210 Lab in general one of the one of the 1682 01:08:09,710 --> 01:08:07,950 first few people that Tom DeLonge and 1683 01:08:12,769 --> 01:08:09,720 his name came out in the Podesta emails 1684 01:08:16,939 --> 01:08:12,779 the wiki leaks that Neal McCasland write 1685 01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:16,949 clearly a high-ranking guy is supposedly 1686 01:08:22,939 --> 01:08:20,400 one of those that I think Rob Weiss of 1687 01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:22,949 Lockheed kind of made the connections 1688 01:08:28,099 --> 01:08:25,650 that got Tom DeLonge into neo McCasland 1689 01:08:29,930 --> 01:08:28,109 and he calls into general and then there 1690 01:08:32,269 --> 01:08:29,940 was the general Kerry who was with the 1691 01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:32,279 Space Command but these guys had both 1692 01:08:38,749 --> 01:08:36,690 retired 2-3 years before so why would 1693 01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:38,759 you be connecting him now with retired 1694 01:08:42,769 --> 01:08:40,770 people so I don't know whether that's 1695 01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:42,779 just know I know I'm sure how to make 1696 01:08:45,649 --> 01:08:44,130 that out but if you wanted to get in 1697 01:08:46,879 --> 01:08:45,659 good with people inside the government 1698 01:08:49,729 --> 01:08:46,889 now you think you wouldn't go to guys 1699 01:08:51,950 --> 01:08:49,739 who were retired two years ago mmm but 1700 01:08:53,769 --> 01:08:51,960 there but it seems to me all of them are 1701 01:08:55,490 --> 01:08:53,779 now taking roles in industry 1702 01:08:58,399 --> 01:08:55,500 representing companies that have 1703 01:08:59,660 --> 01:08:58,409 contracts back with the same agencies or 1704 01:09:00,919 --> 01:08:59,670 the same departments that they used to 1705 01:09:02,930 --> 01:09:00,929 work with of course that's not an 1706 01:09:04,729 --> 01:09:02,940 uncommon thing you hear that a lot that 1707 01:09:06,169 --> 01:09:04,739 people people resigned from some 1708 01:09:08,269 --> 01:09:06,179 position in the military and immediately 1709 01:09:09,709 --> 01:09:08,279 become a consultant or go to work for a 1710 01:09:11,990 --> 01:09:09,719 company that they used to have contracts 1711 01:09:15,740 --> 01:09:12,000 with and it may not be a bad thing I 1712 01:09:17,180 --> 01:09:15,750 mean I don't so far at this point I some 1713 01:09:19,579 --> 01:09:17,190 of the things that the law long had 1714 01:09:20,780 --> 01:09:19,589 wanted to do if you read the WikiLeaks 1715 01:09:23,209 --> 01:09:20,790 emails and some of the things that 1716 01:09:24,910 --> 01:09:23,219 McCaslin is suggested you know STEM 1717 01:09:27,620 --> 01:09:24,920 science technology engineering math 1718 01:09:29,570 --> 01:09:27,630 those are all good things and there's a 1719 01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:29,580 valid point in some of the materials 1720 01:09:32,990 --> 01:09:31,440 some of the things that I wrote that 1721 01:09:35,930 --> 01:09:33,000 suggested there are a lot of people even 1722 01:09:38,269 --> 01:09:35,940 at Lockheed back in 2015 I think it was 1723 01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:38,279 there was a huge substantial number of 1724 01:09:42,890 --> 01:09:40,770 the people that were about to retire and 1725 01:09:44,030 --> 01:09:42,900 you can see the brain drain suddenly if 1726 01:09:46,430 --> 01:09:44,040 you have a whole lot of people who are 1727 01:09:48,470 --> 01:09:46,440 working with you suddenly retiring you 1728 01:09:50,749 --> 01:09:48,480 need to fill those seats and bring in 1729 01:09:52,579 --> 01:09:50,759 people and by like too long even made 1730 01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:52,589 the comment you know that something to 1731 01:09:56,090 --> 01:09:54,690 the effect of no a lot of new kids 1732 01:09:57,860 --> 01:09:56,100 coming out of school today they want to 1733 01:09:59,270 --> 01:09:57,870 work for they want to work for Google or 1734 01:10:02,270 --> 01:09:59,280 Amazon they don't want to go to work for 1735 01:10:03,530 --> 01:10:02,280 some secret area 51 place where you 1736 01:10:05,540 --> 01:10:03,540 can't talk about anything that you do 1737 01:10:07,459 --> 01:10:05,550 and your life will come shuttered so how 1738 01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:07,469 do you get those good brains come in and 1739 01:10:13,399 --> 01:10:09,330 I it's a valid point you know it's a 1740 01:10:14,450 --> 01:10:13,409 valid point so but but I don't know it 1741 01:10:18,070 --> 01:10:14,460 just 1742 01:10:20,420 --> 01:10:18,080 this point I don't know what the 1743 01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:20,430 somewhere ISM there's some tied to the 1744 01:10:23,930 --> 01:10:22,530 office of Secretary of Defense behind a 1745 01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:23,940 lot of this behind the to the stars 1746 01:10:29,750 --> 01:10:27,330 Kurata arrangement that and not to me is 1747 01:10:33,740 --> 01:10:29,760 if you read the statement it's clear 1748 01:10:36,710 --> 01:10:33,750 that if to the tars excuse me to the 1749 01:10:39,650 --> 01:10:36,720 stars is a public or private company 1750 01:10:42,440 --> 01:10:39,660 doing their own thing getting materials 1751 01:10:44,540 --> 01:10:42,450 from Linda how or where they're 1752 01:10:47,330 --> 01:10:44,550 accessing metamaterials and crashed 1753 01:10:49,370 --> 01:10:47,340 things out there somewhere and they're 1754 01:10:51,260 --> 01:10:49,380 going to work an arrangement with the 1755 01:10:52,370 --> 01:10:51,270 army which is sounded like a valid you 1756 01:10:53,870 --> 01:10:52,380 know justifiable thing you know the 1757 01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:53,880 Army's got the facilities and the people 1758 01:11:01,060 --> 01:10:55,650 will provide the stuff and will share 1759 01:11:04,190 --> 01:11:01,070 the science but then why is the OSD a 1760 01:11:06,020 --> 01:11:04,200 second partner and that they are the 1761 01:11:08,690 --> 01:11:06,030 ones who can seemingly and it seemingly 1762 01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:08,700 is only in there to reinforce the army 1763 01:11:15,380 --> 01:11:12,170 to the army that the OSD can provide 1764 01:11:17,210 --> 01:11:15,390 some kind of information on the origin 1765 01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:17,220 ation of the materials now in the 1766 01:11:25,310 --> 01:11:22,770 possession of to the stars so there's 1767 01:11:27,110 --> 01:11:25,320 some connection back in here some tie-in 1768 01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:27,120 still with the government agency or 1769 01:11:31,940 --> 01:11:29,330 they'll with the whomever else which 1770 01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:31,950 directly or indirectly was kind of word 1771 01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:34,800 Lou Elizondo used to work and I think I 1772 01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:37,850 think was actually the same area that 1773 01:11:42,410 --> 01:11:40,170 Christopher mellon had been in back when 1774 01:11:46,430 --> 01:11:42,420 he was in politics you know those years 1775 01:11:49,700 --> 01:11:46,440 ago but but I don't you know there's 1776 01:11:52,340 --> 01:11:49,710 just I'm just asking questions that I 1777 01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:52,350 would like answers for yeah and honestly 1778 01:11:57,680 --> 01:11:54,810 honestly if they want people invest 1779 01:12:00,110 --> 01:11:57,690 money fine if I can be put my mind at 1780 01:12:02,210 --> 01:12:00,120 ease hum I buy some stock as well right 1781 01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:02,220 at least go to the shareholder meetings 1782 01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:05,610 and ask a few questions there but but 1783 01:12:13,730 --> 01:12:11,040 but it's there it is a confusing part of 1784 01:12:15,110 --> 01:12:13,740 TT sa a lot of people are saying you 1785 01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:15,120 know I don't understand you know their 1786 01:12:21,350 --> 01:12:18,210 entertainment and and you know what is 1787 01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:21,360 their drive to make money and then on 1788 01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:23,730 the other hand you know Alejandro will 1789 01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:26,010 say you know something well you know 1790 01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:27,730 they got a fund the 1791 01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:29,290 the work they're doing you know I mean 1792 01:12:34,590 --> 01:12:30,489 there's there's people that are doing 1793 01:12:37,380 --> 01:12:34,600 serious work so what are your thoughts 1794 01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:37,390 on the the different segments of TTS a 1795 01:12:44,550 --> 01:12:39,130 there's think there's three separate 1796 01:12:46,620 --> 01:12:44,560 components to it well as I one of the 1797 01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:46,630 points that I mentioned was I could in a 1798 01:12:53,010 --> 01:12:49,930 way I can certainly understand producing 1799 01:12:54,450 --> 01:12:53,020 a television series and it touches on 1800 01:12:56,220 --> 01:12:54,460 this thing you know the project Bluebook 1801 01:12:58,170 --> 01:12:56,230 television series although a lot of its 1802 01:12:59,760 --> 01:12:58,180 kind of fictionalized but it's 1803 01:13:02,729 --> 01:12:59,770 interesting people watch it I was 1804 01:13:06,060 --> 01:13:02,739 reading an article earlier that showed 1805 01:13:08,220 --> 01:13:06,070 the ratings for ancient aliens and the 1806 01:13:09,930 --> 01:13:08,230 over-40 crowd and I'm like yes so 1807 01:13:12,150 --> 01:13:09,940 everybody I don't care what anybody says 1808 01:13:15,900 --> 01:13:12,160 Martin everybody's interested in UFOs 1809 01:13:17,610 --> 01:13:15,910 just because of the possibilities so as 1810 01:13:19,470 --> 01:13:17,620 far as having an entertainment side and 1811 01:13:21,900 --> 01:13:19,480 doing a program on unidentified which 1812 01:13:23,210 --> 01:13:21,910 may talk to real people there's money to 1813 01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:23,220 be made 1814 01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:25,690 certainly it's gonna be the easiest way 1815 01:13:28,860 --> 01:13:27,010 to make money initially if you can get 1816 01:13:30,510 --> 01:13:28,870 them to get the program going getting 1817 01:13:32,130 --> 01:13:30,520 contracts behind the scenes trying to 1818 01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:32,140 get people to invest you know of course 1819 01:13:35,580 --> 01:13:33,850 I don't know what the inner workings or 1820 01:13:36,900 --> 01:13:35,590 the the background things that they're 1821 01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:36,910 doing if you looked at some of the 1822 01:13:41,100 --> 01:13:39,010 people that are on their board you know 1823 01:13:43,020 --> 01:13:41,110 they're paying to hire a new person 1824 01:13:46,260 --> 01:13:43,030 paying them sixty sixty five thousand 1825 01:13:47,700 --> 01:13:46,270 dollars a year to do something so I 1826 01:13:50,340 --> 01:13:47,710 guess they've got money from somewhere 1827 01:13:52,530 --> 01:13:50,350 and from what I understand or have been 1828 01:13:55,020 --> 01:13:52,540 read or seen you know they and Tom 1829 01:13:56,820 --> 01:13:55,030 DeLonge invested a big chunk of change 1830 01:13:59,460 --> 01:13:56,830 at the beginning and they're obliged to 1831 01:14:00,840 --> 01:13:59,470 repay that at some point so I can 1832 01:14:02,729 --> 01:14:00,850 certainly understand though at this 1833 01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:02,739 stage if you you know if you're these 1834 01:14:06,690 --> 01:14:04,210 people who've got a lot of inside 1835 01:14:08,460 --> 01:14:06,700 connections just like those generals who 1836 01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:08,470 retire and immediately go work as a 1837 01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:10,330 consultant for another military 1838 01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:12,489 industrial place that used to have 1839 01:14:15,060 --> 01:14:13,810 contracts moving them back at that you 1840 01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:15,070 know well they're gonna know people if 1841 01:14:19,590 --> 01:14:16,330 you pick up the phone people will answer 1842 01:14:21,510 --> 01:14:19,600 so I really don't have you know it's 1843 01:14:22,710 --> 01:14:21,520 they're a company it's their company and 1844 01:14:24,750 --> 01:14:22,720 if you know at the end of the day 1845 01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:24,760 they're entitled to do what they wanted 1846 01:14:27,780 --> 01:14:26,170 and get the funding that they can and 1847 01:14:29,460 --> 01:14:27,790 you know you wish them well maybe 1848 01:14:31,740 --> 01:14:29,470 someday you will all be flying around in 1849 01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:31,750 a tic-tac if they reverse engineer one 1850 01:14:36,510 --> 01:14:33,250 other and that would be great I mean I'm 1851 01:14:37,590 --> 01:14:36,520 not gonna complain you know but at the 1852 01:14:41,190 --> 01:14:37,600 same time it 1853 01:14:41,370 --> 01:14:41,200 I guess the impression people got when 1854 01:14:44,209 --> 01:14:41,380 they 1855 01:14:46,979 --> 01:14:44,219 first appeared on the stage and at least 1856 01:14:48,660 --> 01:14:46,989 many of us and I think maybe mistakenly 1857 01:14:51,750 --> 01:14:48,670 those of us out here who had an interest 1858 01:14:54,780 --> 01:14:51,760 in this for a long time saw this as some 1859 01:14:55,919 --> 01:14:54,790 type of disclosure or revelation they're 1860 01:14:59,310 --> 01:14:55,929 coming out here and they're going to 1861 01:15:01,340 --> 01:14:59,320 validate interest in this phenomenon and 1862 01:15:03,629 --> 01:15:01,350 you really wouldn't anticipate that they 1863 01:15:05,879 --> 01:15:03,639 might watch suddenly turn around and 1864 01:15:08,340 --> 01:15:05,889 become another part of the military 1865 01:15:10,470 --> 01:15:08,350 industrial complex and get contracts 1866 01:15:12,510 --> 01:15:10,480 back with you the Army or else that they 1867 01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:12,520 can't talk about it's like the Navy 1868 01:15:15,510 --> 01:15:14,170 coming out and saying they're going to 1869 01:15:18,660 --> 01:15:15,520 have their pilots be much more open 1870 01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:18,670 about reporting unidentified vehicles or 1871 01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:20,770 unidentified aircraft but they're not 1872 01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:23,290 going to be open to telling us I guess 1873 01:15:27,629 --> 01:15:24,850 if you send an f.y.i request you might 1874 01:15:29,970 --> 01:15:27,639 still get nothing but I don't know so 1875 01:15:32,970 --> 01:15:29,980 that's really the part that I think I 1876 01:15:37,770 --> 01:15:32,980 wrote the least amount on under which 1877 01:15:41,430 --> 01:15:37,780 the Stars Academy what's you know what 1878 01:15:42,990 --> 01:15:41,440 was the goal although to kid huh I'll 1879 01:15:45,930 --> 01:15:43,000 even say this from an experience I had 1880 01:15:47,879 --> 01:15:45,940 last week you know the whole idea of the 1881 01:15:49,830 --> 01:15:47,889 bureaucracy you know was on to even 1882 01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:49,840 claiming that you know getting involved 1883 01:15:53,070 --> 01:15:51,730 in the bureaucracy and I get it when you 1884 01:15:55,140 --> 01:15:53,080 can't tell people what you're working on 1885 01:15:57,149 --> 01:15:55,150 which is how you need to support the 1886 01:15:58,500 --> 01:15:57,159 budget that you've got by explaining how 1887 01:15:59,640 --> 01:15:58,510 important your work is but you can't 1888 01:16:03,840 --> 01:15:59,650 tell them because it's a classified 1889 01:16:05,189 --> 01:16:03,850 project or special prax s it's tough to 1890 01:16:06,740 --> 01:16:05,199 keep the budget money coming and the 1891 01:16:09,990 --> 01:16:06,750 bureaucracy tends to want a barrier you 1892 01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:10,000 take up the phone and try to call a 1893 01:16:14,820 --> 01:16:12,489 congressman and just say I'd like to ask 1894 01:16:17,100 --> 01:16:14,830 a question about this and and the little 1895 01:16:21,060 --> 01:16:17,110 girl who answers the phone says well do 1896 01:16:24,419 --> 01:16:21,070 you represent a group you're like no I'm 1897 01:16:25,770 --> 01:16:24,429 just a civilian out here and but I'd 1898 01:16:26,970 --> 01:16:25,780 like to ask some questions well you know 1899 01:16:31,020 --> 01:16:26,980 we have a lot of the people on the phone 1900 01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:31,030 click and you realize you know just the 1901 01:16:34,169 --> 01:16:32,530 simple bureaucracy of getting through 1902 01:16:35,910 --> 01:16:34,179 the person who the girl who's answering 1903 01:16:38,820 --> 01:16:35,920 the phone and is just answering them 1904 01:16:41,580 --> 01:16:38,830 right and left and first question is do 1905 01:16:43,379 --> 01:16:41,590 you represent a group which tells you 1906 01:16:44,910 --> 01:16:43,389 right there if you represent a huge 1907 01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:44,920 group you have a far better chance of 1908 01:16:48,660 --> 01:16:46,690 getting some kind of a hearing or an 1909 01:16:51,419 --> 01:16:48,670 audience or at least getting through so 1910 01:16:52,770 --> 01:16:51,429 the simple bureaucracy if can you your 1911 01:16:54,450 --> 01:16:52,780 congressman these days 1912 01:16:54,870 --> 01:16:54,460 makes me think I can certainly 1913 01:16:58,290 --> 01:16:54,880 understand 1914 01:17:01,050 --> 01:16:58,300 and perhaps some of luzon doze position 1915 01:17:02,730 --> 01:17:01,060 that boy trying to bring up UFOs to 1916 01:17:04,170 --> 01:17:02,740 anybody on the inside but you can't tell 1917 01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:04,180 them what the deal is because it's a 1918 01:17:07,830 --> 01:17:05,770 special project or it's you know 1919 01:17:11,250 --> 01:17:07,840 hush-hush yeah and your buds just 1920 01:17:14,100 --> 01:17:11,260 getting cut right and left as I go ahead 1921 01:17:17,070 --> 01:17:14,110 one of the things I want to mention is 1922 01:17:22,170 --> 01:17:17,080 because of the timeline on this whole 1923 01:17:27,420 --> 01:17:22,180 thing everyone you know brings up over 1924 01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:27,430 and over about the December 16 2017 New 1925 01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:29,410 York Times article you know once that 1926 01:17:32,580 --> 01:17:30,970 was released you know kind of changed 1927 01:17:36,770 --> 01:17:32,590 everything and the videos and all that 1928 01:17:40,440 --> 01:17:36,780 but if you recall it was back in October 1929 01:17:42,780 --> 01:17:40,450 when Tom DeLonge had that live stream 1930 01:17:44,910 --> 01:17:42,790 where he basically you know came out 1931 01:17:47,940 --> 01:17:44,920 with about everything that that came out 1932 01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:47,950 in the New York Times article yeah it 1933 01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:50,890 just took the you know the New York 1934 01:17:57,990 --> 01:17:53,770 Times to propel this thing into you know 1935 01:18:00,930 --> 01:17:58,000 into motion but but they they initiated 1936 01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:00,940 it you know back then well and that 1937 01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:02,290 that's kind of a curious thing too 1938 01:18:06,690 --> 01:18:04,090 because you're right when it came out in 1939 01:18:09,540 --> 01:18:06,700 October if I'm not mistaken there's new 1940 01:18:11,700 --> 01:18:09,550 Elizondo sitting on stage with all the 1941 01:18:14,220 --> 01:18:11,710 rest of them and I remember thinking 1942 01:18:15,930 --> 01:18:14,230 these are some heavy hitting high 1943 01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:15,940 intellect people sitting behind Tom 1944 01:18:23,610 --> 01:18:18,370 DeLonge so how does how to figure that 1945 01:18:26,190 --> 01:18:23,620 out but nobody really made huge 1946 01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:26,200 connections if I recall at that moment 1947 01:18:29,970 --> 01:18:28,090 to Louella Sandow and what his position 1948 01:18:31,740 --> 01:18:29,980 was and how he ended up there even 1949 01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:31,750 though Christopher Mellon was talking 1950 01:18:37,020 --> 01:18:34,050 about the Nimitz incidence even then 1951 01:18:40,020 --> 01:18:37,030 then when the New York Times article 1952 01:18:43,620 --> 01:18:40,030 comes out and you realize it really was 1953 01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:43,630 more of a marketing ploy I think than an 1954 01:18:47,820 --> 01:18:45,610 expose because most of the time 1955 01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:47,830 newspapers they want to be the first one 1956 01:18:52,110 --> 01:18:49,570 on that story before anybody else knows 1957 01:18:54,480 --> 01:18:52,120 but in this particular case if I'm I 1958 01:18:59,160 --> 01:18:54,490 think it was the New York Times in the 1959 01:19:00,510 --> 01:18:59,170 Washington Post and it was the other one 1960 01:19:01,950 --> 01:19:00,520 that came out maybe the next day but 1961 01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:01,960 they all seemed to come out with the 1962 01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:04,810 same older story within a day or so of 1963 01:19:08,609 --> 01:19:06,130 each other or maybe on the same day 1964 01:19:10,379 --> 01:19:08,619 which sounded to me like 1965 01:19:12,989 --> 01:19:10,389 somebody was making sure this story was 1966 01:19:14,369 --> 01:19:12,999 being planted in these locations so that 1967 01:19:16,859 --> 01:19:14,379 it would all be released at the same 1968 01:19:18,209 --> 01:19:16,869 time I'm a big publicity thing and of 1969 01:19:19,909 --> 01:19:18,219 course at the time it was making the 1970 01:19:22,139 --> 01:19:19,919 most out of Lou Elizondo and and 1971 01:19:25,469 --> 01:19:22,149 publicizing the a tip Harry Reid 1972 01:19:27,149 --> 01:19:25,479 contract which you know I guess that's 1973 01:19:29,339 --> 01:19:27,159 you know a month or two later you have 1974 01:19:31,139 --> 01:19:29,349 another huge media push and you keep 1975 01:19:33,179 --> 01:19:31,149 everything hot and turning around you 1976 01:19:35,339 --> 01:19:33,189 know turning over in the news it was 1977 01:19:37,169 --> 01:19:35,349 well done they sure got the book I got 1978 01:19:39,419 --> 01:19:37,179 the publicity out of it that's right and 1979 01:19:41,369 --> 01:19:39,429 uh you know and I think a lot of people 1980 01:19:44,159 --> 01:19:41,379 wonder now after then after the last 1981 01:19:45,899 --> 01:19:44,169 episodes of unidentified things seem to 1982 01:19:47,429 --> 01:19:45,909 be kind of quiet at the moment I guess 1983 01:19:50,879 --> 01:19:47,439 except for the army krodha that was 1984 01:19:53,009 --> 01:19:50,889 released not too long ago yeah so what's 1985 01:19:55,169 --> 01:19:53,019 gonna be the next how do you keep your 1986 01:19:59,159 --> 01:19:55,179 products hot right you keep your 1987 01:20:02,129 --> 01:19:59,169 publicity going I don't know cause Chris 1988 01:20:03,659 --> 01:20:02,139 and one's actually coming in now it's 1989 01:20:07,619 --> 01:20:03,669 going to be screened 1990 01:20:11,850 --> 01:20:07,629 so hopefully yep it's being screen right 1991 01:20:15,959 --> 01:20:11,860 now but you know there's a I do want to 1992 01:20:17,609 --> 01:20:15,969 talk you know after the collar about one 1993 01:20:22,379 --> 01:20:17,619 of the things that I was thinking about 1994 01:20:26,009 --> 01:20:22,389 is the unidentified you know whose pitch 1995 01:20:28,859 --> 01:20:26,019 was that and did they approach you know 1996 01:20:31,919 --> 01:20:28,869 did they approach T TSA or was it the 1997 01:20:34,379 --> 01:20:31,929 other way around you know all right I'm 1998 01:20:36,060 --> 01:20:34,389 gonna take this call now hang on just a 1999 01:20:41,959 --> 01:20:36,070 second we have another one coming in two 2000 01:20:47,929 --> 01:20:45,119 eight five five four seven two five four 2001 01:20:50,310 --> 01:20:47,939 eight three and right now we have 2002 01:20:54,869 --> 01:20:50,320 Stephen calling from Washington 2003 01:20:56,699 --> 01:20:54,879 welcome to the show Steven hi guys 2004 01:20:59,040 --> 01:20:56,709 that's great show it's a really 2005 01:21:01,169 --> 01:20:59,050 interesting show um I wanted to add a 2006 01:21:05,759 --> 01:21:01,179 question to your list of questions and 2007 01:21:12,540 --> 01:21:05,769 that is um you know the whole event the 2008 01:21:14,850 --> 01:21:12,550 whole limit event the fact that they can 2009 01:21:19,649 --> 01:21:14,860 you hear me okay yeah we're sadder yes 2010 01:21:21,540 --> 01:21:19,659 okay so so they're out there and Kevin 2011 01:21:22,440 --> 01:21:21,550 they said that they have been tracking 2012 01:21:25,110 --> 01:21:22,450 that thing on 2013 01:21:25,740 --> 01:21:25,120 radar for several days that they have 2014 01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:25,750 gotten it 2015 01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:28,810 several times and they finally retask 2016 01:21:35,540 --> 01:21:31,210 them jets to go have a look and the Jets 2017 01:21:38,100 --> 01:21:35,550 got video footage of the UFOs and the 2018 01:21:39,660 --> 01:21:38,110 thing I you know you want to add a 2019 01:21:42,540 --> 01:21:39,670 really good question to you list the 2020 01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:42,550 questions if so they wouldn't have 2021 01:21:45,900 --> 01:21:44,530 gotten on the phone to the Pentagon 2022 01:21:48,710 --> 01:21:45,910 right away and said there's something 2023 01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:48,720 that can fly circles around us out here 2024 01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:52,690 and and I mean it seems like they would 2025 01:22:00,480 --> 01:21:55,570 got retasked at that moment to 2026 01:22:02,430 --> 01:22:00,490 investigate further and I don't I mean 2027 01:22:09,030 --> 01:22:02,440 that that part of the story is really 2028 01:22:11,220 --> 01:22:09,040 fishy to me that that that that that 2029 01:22:13,740 --> 01:22:11,230 didn't immediately stop and go back to 2030 01:22:15,930 --> 01:22:13,750 Washington and it you know a lot of 2031 01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:15,940 things click but all these people that I 2032 01:22:20,250 --> 01:22:17,530 hear Kevin day and all the people the 2033 01:22:23,370 --> 01:22:20,260 witnesses for Nimitz I never hear any of 2034 01:22:26,730 --> 01:22:23,380 them mention you know we got we got 2035 01:22:29,460 --> 01:22:26,740 retasked we we were said to look at it 2036 01:22:30,900 --> 01:22:29,470 further or anything like that and I was 2037 01:22:36,530 --> 01:22:30,910 wondering if you could just comment on 2038 01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:36,540 that thanks to you and go ahead that's 2039 01:22:41,670 --> 01:22:40,090 exactly the kind of observation of 2040 01:22:44,460 --> 01:22:41,680 course led me eventually to all these 2041 01:22:45,780 --> 01:22:44,470 questions that I had because it came up 2042 01:22:49,590 --> 01:22:45,790 in a conversation I was having the other 2043 01:22:51,870 --> 01:22:49,600 day that if even if whoever it was that 2044 01:22:55,380 --> 01:22:51,880 flew in as that I think the term has 2045 01:22:56,790 --> 01:22:55,390 been that were cod2 or coded and the 2046 01:22:58,250 --> 01:22:56,800 guys that flew in on the plane and were 2047 01:23:01,860 --> 01:22:58,260 supposedly confiscated all the data 2048 01:23:05,370 --> 01:23:01,870 how'd they hear about did somebody on 2049 01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:05,380 the ships call the Pentagon or call back 2050 01:23:08,610 --> 01:23:06,610 to somewhere to say hey we have some 2051 01:23:10,770 --> 01:23:08,620 strange things happening or was all of 2052 01:23:12,870 --> 01:23:10,780 this being monitored over the you know 2053 01:23:15,180 --> 01:23:12,880 the secure internet or Internet 2054 01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:15,190 communications so somebody had to find 2055 01:23:20,820 --> 01:23:17,290 out about it to be flown out there to 2056 01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:20,830 the ships but that's yeah and Kevin day 2057 01:23:24,180 --> 01:23:23,050 has made the point that for the most 2058 01:23:25,980 --> 01:23:24,190 part when he was first picking these 2059 01:23:27,420 --> 01:23:25,990 things up on radar they were staying out 2060 01:23:29,070 --> 01:23:27,430 of the way of the carrier group they 2061 01:23:30,480 --> 01:23:29,080 didn't seem to show any interest in them 2062 01:23:33,170 --> 01:23:30,490 and they were just passing by slowly 2063 01:23:35,790 --> 01:23:33,180 from the distances and it wasn't a 2064 01:23:36,390 --> 01:23:35,800 important thing until they really began 2065 01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:36,400 to do the 2066 01:23:42,330 --> 01:23:39,690 the flights the air defense exercises so 2067 01:23:43,620 --> 01:23:42,340 you know I mean I'd have to defer to 2068 01:23:44,729 --> 01:23:43,630 those guys who've done this all their 2069 01:23:46,709 --> 01:23:44,739 lives and have been out there to know 2070 01:23:48,149 --> 01:23:46,719 exactly how things end up you know do 2071 01:23:49,709 --> 01:23:48,159 you immediately tell the captain or is 2072 01:23:51,959 --> 01:23:49,719 it your job to look out for it and then 2073 01:23:54,300 --> 01:23:51,969 you pass it on up when you can but I 2074 01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:54,310 agree you know at some point if I was 2075 01:23:59,609 --> 01:23:56,770 the captain of the ship and I've been 2076 01:24:01,490 --> 01:23:59,619 getting these strange things especially 2077 01:24:06,620 --> 01:24:01,500 if somebody actually had seen one I 2078 01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:06,630 agree with the caller why would you call 2079 01:24:14,070 --> 01:24:10,330 right as well not only did I mean they 2080 01:24:15,870 --> 01:24:14,080 had radar data and video footage at that 2081 01:24:18,089 --> 01:24:15,880 point so it's not like they would have 2082 01:24:21,209 --> 01:24:18,099 had to call Washington empty-handed and 2083 01:24:23,970 --> 01:24:21,219 say what should we do there's something 2084 01:24:26,399 --> 01:24:23,980 flying circles around us what should we 2085 01:24:28,620 --> 01:24:26,409 do I've got you know radar data and film 2086 01:24:32,700 --> 01:24:28,630 and it just that part of the story to me 2087 01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:32,710 has just always been a real real problem 2088 01:24:38,850 --> 01:24:37,330 a real live disconnect yeah I kind of 2089 01:24:40,260 --> 01:24:38,860 agree I mean Kennedy has made the point 2090 01:24:42,359 --> 01:24:40,270 I think in a comedy state is somewhere 2091 01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:42,369 that after after I guess we're talking 2092 01:24:46,290 --> 01:24:44,170 the flavor incident that all those 2093 01:24:48,180 --> 01:24:46,300 pilots were flying around and on their 2094 01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:48,190 own tat you know tasking they were going 2095 01:24:52,830 --> 01:24:51,130 after these objects and you'd think but 2096 01:24:54,750 --> 01:24:52,840 by that you know after that first one 2097 01:24:56,339 --> 01:24:54,760 everybody turns her camera on I think he 2098 01:24:57,930 --> 01:24:56,349 would Paco charity mentioned that in his 2099 01:24:59,850 --> 01:24:57,940 article you know you turn the camera on 2100 01:25:01,439 --> 01:24:59,860 immediately you just leave the camera on 2101 01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:01,449 when you take off so you're filming 2102 01:25:08,070 --> 01:25:04,570 whatever you're filming there isn't 2103 01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:08,080 there is something that you know it goes 2104 01:25:10,830 --> 01:25:09,610 to the idea of who I would like the 2105 01:25:13,770 --> 01:25:10,840 caller saying why would you immediately 2106 01:25:16,169 --> 01:25:13,780 call back to somebody you know the Joint 2107 01:25:17,669 --> 01:25:16,179 Chiefs or anybody and say what what is 2108 01:25:19,470 --> 01:25:17,679 going on we've got these objects flying 2109 01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:19,480 around out all over the place my first 2110 01:25:23,310 --> 01:25:21,250 thought was you would immediately have 2111 01:25:25,410 --> 01:25:23,320 them shift some satellites straight over 2112 01:25:28,410 --> 01:25:25,420 you looking right down at the strong 2113 01:25:29,939 --> 01:25:28,420 group to see all of this you would think 2114 01:25:33,089 --> 01:25:29,949 they'd have some of their ability in 2115 01:25:35,370 --> 01:25:33,099 immediate and an immediate scenario this 2116 01:25:36,930 --> 01:25:35,380 is the odd thing though and I didn't 2117 01:25:40,379 --> 01:25:36,940 really go into this in my paper but the 2118 01:25:43,770 --> 01:25:40,389 point that that Kevin day says after the 2119 01:25:45,629 --> 01:25:43,780 object zipped away the radar of the ship 2120 01:25:47,939 --> 01:25:45,639 told him hey captain it's sitting at 2121 01:25:49,229 --> 01:25:47,949 your cat point and of course a lot of 2122 01:25:49,860 --> 01:25:49,239 people have wondered how would it know 2123 01:25:52,650 --> 01:25:49,870 where his cat 2124 01:25:55,020 --> 01:25:52,660 point was in the last interview with 2125 01:25:56,850 --> 01:25:55,030 Paco Chia Ricci he's talking about the 2126 01:25:58,380 --> 01:25:56,860 Fleur video that was shot by I believed 2127 01:26:02,400 --> 01:25:58,390 it was Chad Underwood the flight that 2128 01:26:04,650 --> 01:26:02,410 went out after after flavor did and he 2129 01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:04,660 makes the comment that this thing was 2130 01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:07,330 sitting at his cat point so as they're 2131 01:26:11,490 --> 01:26:09,370 flying towards the cat point straight at 2132 01:26:14,190 --> 01:26:11,500 it where they're 80 Fleur they're 2133 01:26:16,020 --> 01:26:14,200 videoing this thing I'm like I don't 2134 01:26:17,850 --> 01:26:16,030 know where he got that mad 2135 01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:17,860 that stated and it wasn't in his 2136 01:26:21,810 --> 01:26:20,050 previous articles that the Fleur video 2137 01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:21,820 were seeing was something sitting at the 2138 01:26:27,180 --> 01:26:24,610 cat point but I'll make the comment too 2139 01:26:28,830 --> 01:26:27,190 that if if you look at the speed of the 2140 01:26:30,180 --> 01:26:28,840 plane and I did just a little research 2141 01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:30,190 on this so I don't claim to be an expert 2142 01:26:38,130 --> 01:26:35,250 but the speed that these f-18s are if a 2143 01:26:41,460 --> 01:26:38,140 a-teams fly you know they land at around 2144 01:26:43,950 --> 01:26:41,470 I think it was 150 knots so not super 2145 01:26:46,620 --> 01:26:43,960 fast when you're landing but the video 2146 01:26:49,490 --> 01:26:46,630 floor the Fleur video shows the plane 2147 01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:49,500 going it right at about 250 knots 2148 01:26:54,420 --> 01:26:51,970 straight at whatever this thing is that 2149 01:26:56,340 --> 01:26:54,430 it's supposedly filming but that's not 2150 01:26:57,570 --> 01:26:56,350 very fast no it's not and if you're 2151 01:26:59,760 --> 01:26:57,580 trying to chase if you're trying to 2152 01:27:02,730 --> 01:26:59,770 chase down an object that you've got in 2153 01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:02,740 both video mode and infrared mode and in 2154 01:27:06,210 --> 01:27:04,570 one case it's in video mode on one power 2155 01:27:10,130 --> 01:27:06,220 magnification I'm thinking couldn't you 2156 01:27:14,130 --> 01:27:10,140 see the thing why would you be just 2157 01:27:16,650 --> 01:27:14,140 calmly flying along at 250 knots if 2158 01:27:18,210 --> 01:27:16,660 you're supposedly chasing a tic-tac 2159 01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:18,220 something you've never seen before I 2160 01:27:21,990 --> 01:27:19,810 would think you'd kick in afterburners 2161 01:27:24,210 --> 01:27:22,000 and you would try to catch up to it as 2162 01:27:25,860 --> 01:27:24,220 fast as you could so now I don't know 2163 01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:25,870 it's another question and what the 2164 01:27:29,790 --> 01:27:27,850 caller of points are well made you know 2165 01:27:31,770 --> 01:27:29,800 that there's some explanations that we 2166 01:27:34,050 --> 01:27:31,780 should be getting that I can't seem to 2167 01:27:38,610 --> 01:27:34,060 make them add up thanks for the call 2168 01:27:40,500 --> 01:27:38,620 Stephen all right all right thank you 2169 01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:40,510 we have another caller mouse we'll take 2170 01:27:47,010 --> 01:27:43,090 that now we have Andy calling from 2171 01:27:50,730 --> 01:27:47,020 Connecticut welcome to the show Andy hi 2172 01:27:52,950 --> 01:27:50,740 guys my question for Chris is uh you 2173 01:27:55,380 --> 01:27:52,960 know I have not read his paper at this 2174 01:27:58,710 --> 01:27:55,390 point of this listen of the show but uh 2175 01:28:02,610 --> 01:27:58,720 is he essentially saying that he's 2176 01:28:03,290 --> 01:28:02,620 calling into question you know the fact 2177 01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:03,300 of 2178 01:28:14,650 --> 01:28:11,130 it's perhaps a an orchestrated effort on 2179 01:28:18,410 --> 01:28:14,660 the Navy's behalf the slowly sponging 2180 01:28:21,650 --> 01:28:18,420 the UFO information to the public and 2181 01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:21,660 that combine the cheating essays efforts 2182 01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:24,810 that this isn't just one one huge 2183 01:28:30,830 --> 01:28:28,650 orchestrated undertaking on behalf of 2184 01:28:33,230 --> 01:28:30,840 the Department of Defense did you just 2185 01:28:37,750 --> 01:28:33,240 slowly introduce the public to the idea 2186 01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:37,760 of the extra-terrestrial present and 2187 01:28:42,410 --> 01:28:40,410 good show with all these guys I'll take 2188 01:28:45,380 --> 01:28:42,420 your answer out there thank you thank 2189 01:28:50,530 --> 01:28:45,390 you Andy and I knew somebody was gonna 2190 01:28:53,750 --> 01:28:50,540 ask me what I think and you know and I 2191 01:28:59,300 --> 01:28:53,760 still would say because I've talked to 2192 01:29:02,450 --> 01:28:59,310 my friends that at this stage I'm still 2193 01:29:04,910 --> 01:29:02,460 strongly leaning towards the nimitz 2194 01:29:07,430 --> 01:29:04,920 incidents the Tic Tac incident favors 2195 01:29:09,740 --> 01:29:07,440 seeing this thing Kevin day all of these 2196 01:29:12,980 --> 01:29:09,750 things these guys saw that there was 2197 01:29:15,260 --> 01:29:12,990 actually some type of tic-tac object out 2198 01:29:17,060 --> 01:29:15,270 there if only because you look at their 2199 01:29:18,830 --> 01:29:17,070 faces when they're talking about it you 2200 01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:18,840 look at the way they talk especially 2201 01:29:23,480 --> 01:29:20,610 Kevin day who's a good writer if anybody 2202 01:29:26,660 --> 01:29:23,490 has a registry this year it's an 2203 01:29:29,300 --> 01:29:26,670 intriguing story and you can tell I mean 2204 01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:29,310 this changed something in this in his 2205 01:29:34,580 --> 01:29:32,130 attitude and no doubt flavors as well so 2206 01:29:37,670 --> 01:29:34,590 I do think at least I would say my 2207 01:29:39,770 --> 01:29:37,680 opinion as of the yeah I think the Tic 2208 01:29:43,580 --> 01:29:39,780 Tac incident that flavor describes 2209 01:29:47,150 --> 01:29:43,590 occurred I tend to think there was a lot 2210 01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:47,160 more out there there may be any number I 2211 01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:50,010 mean so far I think flavors describing 2212 01:29:55,610 --> 01:29:53,970 an encounter I have a feeling Cerf had 2213 01:29:58,280 --> 01:29:55,620 an encounter that may have been very 2214 01:30:01,160 --> 01:29:58,290 substantial one of his own the big huge 2215 01:30:02,570 --> 01:30:01,170 300-foot white thing then again and I 2216 01:30:05,870 --> 01:30:02,580 don't know how to explain this and maybe 2217 01:30:08,510 --> 01:30:05,880 Kevin day can his 2010 description of an 2218 01:30:11,630 --> 01:30:08,520 encounter and it's very odd because he 2219 01:30:15,260 --> 01:30:11,640 stipulates that it was a captain now an 2220 01:30:17,130 --> 01:30:15,270 admiral that's a good one so in 2010 2221 01:30:19,830 --> 01:30:17,140 he's stupid that's not favors for 2222 01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:19,840 tenho or Kurth who is Lieutenant Colonel 2223 01:30:24,330 --> 01:30:22,690 I believe but he describes this incident 2224 01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:24,340 where the pilot encountered this thing 2225 01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:27,370 at 20,000 feet or so and the object shot 2226 01:30:32,010 --> 01:30:29,170 down into the water and the pilot flew 2227 01:30:33,300 --> 01:30:32,020 down followed it down and then when the 2228 01:30:34,950 --> 01:30:33,310 pilot flew off it came back up so I'm 2229 01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:34,960 like both so there's a third one and if 2230 01:30:39,210 --> 01:30:36,010 these things were going on over a 2231 01:30:41,580 --> 01:30:39,220 two-week period maybe there is more than 2232 01:30:44,820 --> 01:30:41,590 just this one but for the purposes that 2233 01:30:46,500 --> 01:30:44,830 whatever that purpose is it's best to 2234 01:30:49,110 --> 01:30:46,510 just encapsulate it and have one 2235 01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:49,120 cohesive incident that they can provide 2236 01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:51,610 flavor talking about and not have 2237 01:30:56,550 --> 01:30:53,890 everybody scattering around looking at 2238 01:31:00,060 --> 01:30:56,560 multitudes of other incidents I don't 2239 01:31:01,350 --> 01:31:00,070 know I think it's the idea that like you 2240 01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:01,360 like Martin like you ask you know why 2241 01:31:05,340 --> 01:31:03,970 the Navy and the response that seems to 2242 01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:05,350 have come out especially if you have an 2243 01:31:11,130 --> 01:31:06,850 O and I investigation of this thing 2244 01:31:12,510 --> 01:31:11,140 suggests maybe the Navy didn't know some 2245 01:31:13,980 --> 01:31:12,520 of the reactions that you get would 2246 01:31:15,810 --> 01:31:13,990 suggest that they didn't know that 2247 01:31:18,450 --> 01:31:15,820 suddenly looking you know housing how 2248 01:31:19,950 --> 01:31:18,460 asking for 38 or so other papers to be 2249 01:31:23,190 --> 01:31:19,960 written on what the future is gonna be 2250 01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:23,200 in 2050 are science so just real 2251 01:31:27,810 --> 01:31:25,650 interest in catching up to speed on 2252 01:31:29,940 --> 01:31:27,820 whatever technology or science you might 2253 01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:29,950 be aware of which almost sounds like the 2254 01:31:34,380 --> 01:31:32,170 Navy was shaken a little bit like what 2255 01:31:36,930 --> 01:31:34,390 they encountered out there but then 2256 01:31:40,950 --> 01:31:36,940 again I can certainly see you know the 2257 01:31:42,660 --> 01:31:40,960 cat pointing unless if it's if it's some 2258 01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:42,670 other intelligence they're monitoring 2259 01:31:45,330 --> 01:31:43,930 our calls and they know where the cat 2260 01:31:46,410 --> 01:31:45,340 points are and so they're gonna just sit 2261 01:31:49,110 --> 01:31:46,420 wait for our pilots to play 2262 01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:49,120 cat-and-mouse you know why would you 2263 01:31:53,220 --> 01:31:51,130 have objects monitor you know how would 2264 01:31:54,810 --> 01:31:53,230 they know so I don't know there are 2265 01:31:58,530 --> 01:31:54,820 aspects of this that I can see that make 2266 01:32:01,680 --> 01:31:58,540 me think maybe this is something we 2267 01:32:04,230 --> 01:32:01,690 already have but now we have to explain 2268 01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:04,240 how we got it and it's easier to claim 2269 01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:06,010 we're gonna study metamaterials and 2270 01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:07,930 reverse engineering poof 2271 01:32:12,750 --> 01:32:10,810 here's this tic-tac we built I don't 2272 01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:12,760 know because house you explained it what 2273 01:32:16,110 --> 01:32:14,530 if it really did come from some other 2274 01:32:17,730 --> 01:32:16,120 intelligence or some other information 2275 01:32:20,100 --> 01:32:17,740 you gained and you don't want to tell 2276 01:32:21,630 --> 01:32:20,110 people you know that you got this and 2277 01:32:24,900 --> 01:32:21,640 you had it for all these years and have 2278 01:32:26,910 --> 01:32:24,910 some people starting to dig down on you 2279 01:32:28,650 --> 01:32:26,920 you're covering your tail III can come 2280 01:32:31,149 --> 01:32:28,660 up with scenarios I honestly can't I can 2281 01:32:33,969 --> 01:32:31,159 see I can play out all sorts 2282 01:32:36,129 --> 01:32:33,979 theories of what this is but I don't 2283 01:32:40,179 --> 01:32:36,139 think I just I don't I don't think Kevin 2284 01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:40,189 day and braver and these guys are lying 2285 01:32:44,830 --> 01:32:43,010 let's put it that way yeah maybe maybe 2286 01:32:46,390 --> 01:32:44,840 there's a story they've been told uphold 2287 01:32:48,129 --> 01:32:46,400 and they're doing the best they can and 2288 01:32:50,319 --> 01:32:48,139 when you get the other parts that don't 2289 01:32:54,250 --> 01:32:50,329 hold together nobody answers those 2290 01:32:56,979 --> 01:32:54,260 questions hmm yeah we have a no no no 2291 01:33:00,399 --> 01:32:56,989 mouse we'll take that now we have a Greg 2292 01:33:02,709 --> 01:33:00,409 calling from where is he calling 2293 01:33:03,750 --> 01:33:02,719 Pennsylvania welcome to the show 2294 01:33:07,540 --> 01:33:03,760 spoilers 2295 01:33:09,479 --> 01:33:07,550 all right thanks okay I have no doubt 2296 01:33:12,129 --> 01:33:09,489 that your guest has great information 2297 01:33:15,489 --> 01:33:12,139 and but I got a couple things that are 2298 01:33:18,489 --> 01:33:15,499 hanging me up if Lou is that high which 2299 01:33:21,790 --> 01:33:18,499 is possible in the Pentagon why would he 2300 01:33:23,379 --> 01:33:21,800 be doing his own ops and if he's still 2301 01:33:25,659 --> 01:33:23,389 in the government that would mean like a 2302 01:33:27,629 --> 01:33:25,669 whole bunch of these other guys in TTS I 2303 01:33:30,250 --> 01:33:27,639 still Arps that's where they came from 2304 01:33:32,770 --> 01:33:30,260 there would be a whole lot of money that 2305 01:33:34,239 --> 01:33:32,780 DoD is putting out for what exactly 2306 01:33:36,609 --> 01:33:34,249 because there was nothing going on in 2307 01:33:41,979 --> 01:33:36,619 the UFO world really until they showed 2308 01:33:46,179 --> 01:33:41,989 up well of these questions they do make 2309 01:33:47,589 --> 01:33:46,189 you thinking and that's oh and I could 2310 01:33:49,779 --> 01:33:47,599 probably also answer one of your 2311 01:33:51,609 --> 01:33:49,789 questions after you said that okay I 2312 01:33:54,339 --> 01:33:51,619 mean those are that's those very good 2313 01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:54,349 questions in other words we don't know 2314 01:33:58,509 --> 01:33:56,090 now I mean I there's a quote that Hal 2315 01:34:01,509 --> 01:33:58,519 even has in his SSC paper where he says 2316 01:34:03,489 --> 01:34:01,519 I can read this he says this 22 million 2317 01:34:05,199 --> 01:34:03,499 dollar program was one particular 2318 01:34:06,729 --> 01:34:05,209 program that does not say that there 2319 01:34:08,979 --> 01:34:06,739 were not other programs with other 2320 01:34:10,509 --> 01:34:08,989 funding levels it isn't like suddenly 2321 01:34:11,949 --> 01:34:10,519 there was this one program that did not 2322 01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:11,959 last long and did not have that much 2323 01:34:18,909 --> 01:34:14,570 money in it shut down so maybe the 2324 01:34:22,239 --> 01:34:18,919 offset 22 million was put out there to 2325 01:34:24,549 --> 01:34:22,249 just box up the whole 22 million a tip 2326 01:34:26,649 --> 01:34:24,559 that's where Elizondo came from this 2327 01:34:28,359 --> 01:34:26,659 little package over here if there was 2328 01:34:30,790 --> 01:34:28,369 something going on which I tend to think 2329 01:34:34,509 --> 01:34:30,800 there was that began maybe in 2007 or 2330 01:34:39,250 --> 01:34:34,519 earlier and all of this seems to have 2331 01:34:40,989 --> 01:34:39,260 coalesced into this to the Stars coming 2332 01:34:42,549 --> 01:34:40,999 out and of course there's articles that 2333 01:34:44,180 --> 01:34:42,559 have been written about the the Navy 2334 01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:44,190 scientist who's now got these 2335 01:34:48,710 --> 01:34:45,810 that are out there in the patent office 2336 01:34:50,810 --> 01:34:48,720 first didn't buy it yeah our level maybe 2337 01:34:53,090 --> 01:34:50,820 yeah I don't either except that some 2338 01:34:54,920 --> 01:34:53,100 higher level Navy person contacts the 2339 01:34:56,870 --> 01:34:54,930 Patent Office and says we need this 2340 01:34:59,390 --> 01:34:56,880 patent because something about the 2341 01:35:01,520 --> 01:34:59,400 Chinese irori doing it so I don't know 2342 01:35:03,650 --> 01:35:01,530 whether this is an effort to control you 2343 01:35:05,900 --> 01:35:03,660 know companies by other companies to get 2344 01:35:07,490 --> 01:35:05,910 their patents so you have some control I 2345 01:35:10,580 --> 01:35:07,500 don't really know I don't know there are 2346 01:35:12,980 --> 01:35:10,590 a lot of these disparate things go ahead 2347 01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:12,990 I'm sorry Chinese don't do anything that 2348 01:35:17,810 --> 01:35:15,570 we didn't or the Russians didn't do 2349 01:35:20,630 --> 01:35:17,820 first and then they kind of riff off of 2350 01:35:23,210 --> 01:35:20,640 that but one of the things you were 2351 01:35:27,530 --> 01:35:23,220 wondering about is who how does this 2352 01:35:32,390 --> 01:35:27,540 information get to the top I've been in 2353 01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:32,400 a sort of similar issue a ssin it's on a 2354 01:35:38,590 --> 01:35:35,730 submarine go to sleep wake up after we 2355 01:35:41,660 --> 01:35:38,600 we had seen or heard we were in sin are 2356 01:35:45,200 --> 01:35:41,670 something really unusual in the water 2357 01:35:48,290 --> 01:35:45,210 and it got people's attention it was 2358 01:35:50,240 --> 01:35:48,300 very unusual and when I woke up the next 2359 01:35:52,550 --> 01:35:50,250 morning there were five extra people on 2360 01:35:53,890 --> 01:35:52,560 board the frigging submarine you know 2361 01:35:57,320 --> 01:35:53,900 that's a good trick 2362 01:36:00,110 --> 01:35:57,330 so you you want to offer us your best 2363 01:36:03,500 --> 01:36:00,120 guess for how five people show up on the 2364 01:36:06,710 --> 01:36:03,510 submarine yeah apparently while I was 2365 01:36:08,810 --> 01:36:06,720 asleep it surfaced and I don't know how 2366 01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:08,820 they got there so damn quick because it 2367 01:36:14,260 --> 01:36:11,130 was not long I mean it was like less 2368 01:36:18,020 --> 01:36:14,270 than a day and we were not near 2369 01:36:19,220 --> 01:36:18,030 particularly friendly places I guess you 2370 01:36:19,730 --> 01:36:19,230 could have flown out there in a couple 2371 01:36:22,040 --> 01:36:19,740 hours 2372 01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:22,050 but I'm thinking Hunt for Red October 2373 01:36:26,750 --> 01:36:23,970 they fly out the helicopter and drop the 2374 01:36:29,390 --> 01:36:26,760 guys that's your point isn't valid 2375 01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:29,400 helicopter but you're making the valid 2376 01:36:32,870 --> 01:36:31,170 path yeah you hear something unusual and 2377 01:36:35,150 --> 01:36:32,880 some people were able to get there so 2378 01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:35,160 they obviously got the call or the 2379 01:36:40,580 --> 01:36:36,810 information got off the submarine to 2380 01:36:42,260 --> 01:36:40,590 somebody who got out there quickly right 2381 01:36:44,930 --> 01:36:42,270 and they spent a few days there and they 2382 01:36:48,650 --> 01:36:44,940 were pretty impressed with it so I mean 2383 01:36:50,870 --> 01:36:48,660 somebody up at the top level puts in the 2384 01:36:52,970 --> 01:36:50,880 call it's not something that people in 2385 01:36:55,330 --> 01:36:52,980 the lower level are going to even know 2386 01:36:57,870 --> 01:36:55,340 happen unless they're directly involved 2387 01:37:00,149 --> 01:36:57,880 so we didn't they somebody somebody at 2388 01:37:02,040 --> 01:37:00,159 would be perhaps monitoring the 2389 01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:02,050 communication tour monitoring some kind 2390 01:37:07,439 --> 01:37:05,050 of traffic and they pick up on it yes so 2391 01:37:08,669 --> 01:37:07,449 that could very well explain some of 2392 01:37:11,430 --> 01:37:08,679 what Kevin day and the others are 2393 01:37:12,930 --> 01:37:11,440 referring to somebody is listening or 2394 01:37:16,470 --> 01:37:12,940 watching for this kind of thing 2395 01:37:16,830 --> 01:37:16,480 maybe there's a code word go ahead go 2396 01:37:20,100 --> 01:37:16,840 ahead 2397 01:37:23,820 --> 01:37:20,110 so the one thing I found odd about Kevin 2398 01:37:26,160 --> 01:37:23,830 day was at least when I was in the 2399 01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:26,170 surface son our Tech's if you were high 2400 01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:28,210 up you wouldn't you would literally just 2401 01:37:32,430 --> 01:37:30,130 be doing administration things so I 2402 01:37:35,070 --> 01:37:32,440 found it odd that he was doing all this 2403 01:37:37,140 --> 01:37:35,080 work although I listening to him a few 2404 01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:37,150 times I believe that he was supervising 2405 01:37:41,580 --> 01:37:39,730 it and as far as flavor is concerned I 2406 01:37:43,379 --> 01:37:41,590 just think that flavors world revolves 2407 01:37:46,430 --> 01:37:43,389 around flavor I think he's being totally 2408 01:37:49,500 --> 01:37:46,440 honest but that's just his take on it 2409 01:37:54,570 --> 01:37:49,510 mm-hmm thank you that's why he's in the 2410 01:37:56,250 --> 01:37:54,580 center mm-hmm exists to me yeah I'll 2411 01:37:58,590 --> 01:37:56,260 just leave it there let you guys have 2412 01:38:00,240 --> 01:37:58,600 this no you're right I mean you're right 2413 01:38:03,020 --> 01:38:00,250 I mean there's the thing I mean I think 2414 01:38:05,669 --> 01:38:03,030 they're both being very honest which 2415 01:38:08,970 --> 01:38:05,679 nothing else yeah they're definitely 2416 01:38:11,879 --> 01:38:08,980 good witnesses almost insured first but 2417 01:38:14,250 --> 01:38:11,889 I'm totally buying it at this stage yeah 2418 01:38:17,129 --> 01:38:14,260 all right thanks hey thanks for the 2419 01:38:20,430 --> 01:38:17,139 cause great question all right bye-bye 2420 01:38:22,919 --> 01:38:20,440 all right so that line is open anyone 2421 01:38:26,450 --> 01:38:22,929 can call in and that's eight five five 2422 01:38:32,610 --> 01:38:26,460 four seven two five four eight three 2423 01:38:35,010 --> 01:38:32,620 so you just Chris you spoke about I had 2424 01:38:37,350 --> 01:38:35,020 to read that in your paper about the 2425 01:38:40,260 --> 01:38:37,360 report where someone talks about this 2426 01:38:41,990 --> 01:38:40,270 thing actually becoming a USO actually 2427 01:38:45,169 --> 01:38:42,000 going into the water 2428 01:38:50,850 --> 01:38:45,179 who was that exactly that wrote that 2429 01:38:52,530 --> 01:38:50,860 that blows my mind too okay I'm 99% 2430 01:38:54,899 --> 01:38:52,540 certain that's Kevin day because the 2431 01:38:57,390 --> 01:38:54,909 username was the seer and it's really 2432 01:39:00,270 --> 01:38:57,400 it's meant to be C or s EE 2433 01:39:02,070 --> 01:39:00,280 ' R which was the title of the short 2434 01:39:06,020 --> 01:39:02,080 story that he wrote in his sailors 2435 01:39:07,950 --> 01:39:06,030 anthology hmm and he had gone I believe 2436 01:39:11,109 --> 01:39:07,960 correct me it's in the paper it was 2437 01:39:13,270 --> 01:39:11,119 either on the above top-secret 2438 01:39:15,369 --> 01:39:13,280 I think it was above top-secret maybe an 2439 01:39:18,790 --> 01:39:15,379 open mind but anyway in 2010 he had 2440 01:39:20,169 --> 01:39:18,800 actually gone in and was putting out a 2441 01:39:22,209 --> 01:39:20,179 little bit of information about his 2442 01:39:24,279 --> 01:39:22,219 story and was talking about how his 2443 01:39:26,949 --> 01:39:24,289 story was a fictionalized account but 2444 01:39:31,029 --> 01:39:26,959 based on the facts from the Nimitz case 2445 01:39:34,779 --> 01:39:31,039 and but then he also goes in gives this 2446 01:39:37,359 --> 01:39:34,789 description of this incident in which he 2447 01:39:40,830 --> 01:39:37,369 this is the one where he says it was a 2448 01:39:43,119 --> 01:39:40,840 pilot he was a captain now on Admiral 2449 01:39:45,279 --> 01:39:43,129 I've done some looking could I have a 2450 01:39:46,899 --> 01:39:45,289 found one guy like this yet I'm just I'm 2451 01:39:48,819 --> 01:39:46,909 guessing you would go from captain to 2452 01:39:50,649 --> 01:39:48,829 being a Rear Admiral first I think yeah 2453 01:39:53,319 --> 01:39:50,659 but he says they're captain now an 2454 01:39:55,569 --> 01:39:53,329 admiral who had this encounter and the 2455 01:39:57,339 --> 01:39:55,579 odd thing is he uses the same phrase 2456 01:39:59,379 --> 01:39:57,349 he's used when he's talking about flavor 2457 01:40:02,350 --> 01:39:59,389 where he says he hears the guy saying 2458 01:40:03,879 --> 01:40:02,360 I'm engaged I'm engaged oh my god which 2459 01:40:07,209 --> 01:40:03,889 he's reiterated that same thing 2460 01:40:10,060 --> 01:40:07,219 accordingly going to favor but then his 2461 01:40:11,889 --> 01:40:10,070 description is a pilot encountered this 2462 01:40:13,239 --> 01:40:11,899 thing and I say 20,000 feet that's just 2463 01:40:14,919 --> 01:40:13,249 my memory but the point was it was at 2464 01:40:17,859 --> 01:40:14,929 altitude it wasn't 50 feet off the 2465 01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:17,869 surface he encounters some object up at 2466 01:40:23,139 --> 01:40:20,570 this altitude and the object shoots down 2467 01:40:26,709 --> 01:40:23,149 and the pilot follows it and the object 2468 01:40:29,290 --> 01:40:26,719 goes into the water clear stipulates 2469 01:40:32,139 --> 01:40:29,300 into the water then as the pilot flies 2470 01:40:33,580 --> 01:40:32,149 away the object shot back out of the 2471 01:40:35,199 --> 01:40:33,590 water right neck tat attune and went on 2472 01:40:37,449 --> 01:40:35,209 its merry way in his merry way I think 2473 01:40:42,369 --> 01:40:37,459 he used that term in an unidentified as 2474 01:40:44,770 --> 01:40:42,379 well but it clearly sounds like another 2475 01:40:46,689 --> 01:40:44,780 encounter of somebody seeing something 2476 01:40:49,299 --> 01:40:46,699 and the object goes down towards the 2477 01:40:52,119 --> 01:40:49,309 water whatever that is but it's not 2478 01:40:54,399 --> 01:40:52,129 freighters encounter and it's certainly 2479 01:40:57,429 --> 01:40:54,409 not curse what we've little we know 2480 01:40:59,169 --> 01:40:57,439 about whatever encounter Kurth had Wow 2481 01:41:01,179 --> 01:40:59,179 so I think honestly that's a question 2482 01:41:03,219 --> 01:41:01,189 that Kevin day I would like to ask it 2483 01:41:05,770 --> 01:41:03,229 may be a mistake but once again that was 2484 01:41:08,739 --> 01:41:05,780 only five years after the incidents here 2485 01:41:10,719 --> 01:41:08,749 we are now 17 years or so after how many 2486 01:41:14,139 --> 01:41:10,729 years afterwards you think memories 2487 01:41:15,489 --> 01:41:14,149 would be clearer much more clear in 2010 2488 01:41:17,229 --> 01:41:15,499 if he's describing something that he 2489 01:41:18,369 --> 01:41:17,239 remembered and that it was so visual to 2490 01:41:20,409 --> 01:41:18,379 him that he had actually used some of 2491 01:41:21,669 --> 01:41:20,419 this in this story so I don't know I 2492 01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:21,679 just when I looked at that I thought 2493 01:41:27,759 --> 01:41:25,010 this this sounds like maybe a third 2494 01:41:30,580 --> 01:41:27,769 Siddhant but this is not clearly in the 2495 01:41:32,109 --> 01:41:30,590 water this is not in his book right 2496 01:41:34,330 --> 01:41:32,119 you're not saying that this is actually 2497 01:41:36,100 --> 01:41:34,340 in his fictionalized no I don't believe 2498 01:41:38,290 --> 01:41:36,110 so okay you wrote a book called a 2499 01:41:41,290 --> 01:41:38,300 sailor's anthology yeah and this I think 2500 01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:41,300 was all he's big he's publicized this 2501 01:41:44,950 --> 01:41:43,610 for quite a while that after he got out 2502 01:41:46,180 --> 01:41:44,960 of the military I found that mistake and 2503 01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:46,190 he wrote this book called the sailors 2504 01:41:50,919 --> 01:41:47,690 anthology and it has some short stories 2505 01:41:54,189 --> 01:41:50,929 and one of them is called the seer and I 2506 01:41:56,649 --> 01:41:54,199 read it impressive it's a heck of an 2507 01:41:58,660 --> 01:41:56,659 imaginative creative kind of story with 2508 01:42:00,459 --> 01:41:58,670 a lot of you know some touching on 2509 01:42:01,540 --> 01:42:00,469 remote viewing and this sort of thing 2510 01:42:05,620 --> 01:42:01,550 probably would have made a good movie 2511 01:42:07,540 --> 01:42:05,630 but then again I don't know he seems to 2512 01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:07,550 have been the only person who on his own 2513 01:42:15,069 --> 01:42:10,010 initiative has been making some effort 2514 01:42:16,569 --> 01:42:15,079 to bring out to make it known some of 2515 01:42:19,359 --> 01:42:16,579 the nimitz encounters that occurred i 2516 01:42:22,899 --> 01:42:19,369 mean frankly i've wondered if he wasn't 2517 01:42:24,790 --> 01:42:22,909 the guy back in 2007 who first put the 2518 01:42:26,290 --> 01:42:24,800 Fleur video out there maybe he was the 2519 01:42:27,549 --> 01:42:26,300 guy who had this information I don't 2520 01:42:30,879 --> 01:42:27,559 know we don't know when those who that 2521 01:42:32,169 --> 01:42:30,889 was but in 2010 he recited this story 2522 01:42:34,240 --> 01:42:32,179 you can go find it I think you could 2523 01:42:36,100 --> 01:42:34,250 still find it if you go back on the open 2524 01:42:38,439 --> 01:42:36,110 minds forum stuff I've got a link to it 2525 01:42:40,779 --> 01:42:38,449 and I'll get the links corrected but 2526 01:42:42,459 --> 01:42:40,789 it's an intriguing story and it goes to 2527 01:42:43,779 --> 01:42:42,469 making me think if these things were out 2528 01:42:45,220 --> 01:42:43,789 there and they were Perry group was out 2529 01:42:47,109 --> 01:42:45,230 there for at least a couple of weeks or 2530 01:42:48,640 --> 01:42:47,119 more if they had a number of these 2531 01:42:50,379 --> 01:42:48,650 things flying around and at that point 2532 01:42:54,370 --> 01:42:50,389 these pilots are on their own initiative 2533 01:42:56,859 --> 01:42:54,380 chasing down you know the objects yeah 2534 01:42:58,600 --> 01:42:56,869 maybe there's maybe that really was more 2535 01:43:00,310 --> 01:42:58,610 than maybe that's why it's such a big 2536 01:43:03,129 --> 01:43:00,320 deal now that there was more than just 2537 01:43:05,950 --> 01:43:03,139 one incident of a pilot or someone 2538 01:43:07,359 --> 01:43:05,960 encountering a tic-tac or whatever that 2539 01:43:08,919 --> 01:43:07,369 had something to do with going under the 2540 01:43:10,359 --> 01:43:08,929 water and maybe that's why we're picking 2541 01:43:12,220 --> 01:43:10,369 up some of it if you look at some of the 2542 01:43:13,479 --> 01:43:12,230 reports you catch traces of people 2543 01:43:15,250 --> 01:43:13,489 talking about things being tracked 2544 01:43:17,529 --> 01:43:15,260 underwater I don't know what the 2545 01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:17,539 accuracy of that is but yeah seems to be 2546 01:43:22,779 --> 01:43:19,489 some indication of vehicles going into 2547 01:43:24,279 --> 01:43:22,789 the water right which is also one of the 2548 01:43:26,200 --> 01:43:24,289 Navy patents if I'm not mistaken that 2549 01:43:27,580 --> 01:43:26,210 came out in the news recently yeah I can 2550 01:43:30,100 --> 01:43:27,590 move freeze over the water just like 2551 01:43:31,450 --> 01:43:30,110 anywhere else yeah we only had off we 2552 01:43:33,549 --> 01:43:31,460 only have five minutes left I can't 2553 01:43:35,459 --> 01:43:33,559 believe it already so I'm not gonna be 2554 01:43:38,980 --> 01:43:35,469 taking any more calls at this point but 2555 01:43:44,890 --> 01:43:38,990 the one thing we didn't discuss is the 2556 01:43:47,710 --> 01:43:44,900 films and there's someone in the chat 2557 01:43:49,660 --> 01:43:47,720 room that just said something that we 2558 01:43:53,680 --> 01:43:49,670 can get that question to Dave I mean - 2559 01:43:56,050 --> 01:43:53,690 Kevin day no problem at all the what the 2560 01:43:57,850 --> 01:43:56,060 one you have there but the films being 2561 01:44:02,650 --> 01:43:57,860 released the way they were 2562 01:44:05,050 --> 01:44:02,660 that's another puzzle here because the 2563 01:44:07,540 --> 01:44:05,060 he didn't blue actually didn't have 2564 01:44:10,420 --> 01:44:07,550 permission to to release them publicly 2565 01:44:14,770 --> 01:44:10,430 yet again there doesn't seem to be any 2566 01:44:18,400 --> 01:44:14,780 repercussion from it you know and I give 2567 01:44:20,020 --> 01:44:18,410 John Greenwald plenty of credit I did 2568 01:44:21,430 --> 01:44:20,030 send him a link I haven't heard from him 2569 01:44:24,970 --> 01:44:21,440 but I give him enough credit for really 2570 01:44:28,440 --> 01:44:24,980 drilling down on these questions and my 2571 01:44:32,140 --> 01:44:28,450 opinion at this particular point is a 2572 01:44:34,570 --> 01:44:32,150 tip was just the nickname it tip may 2573 01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:34,580 have been kind of a disposable name that 2574 01:44:39,310 --> 01:44:37,010 was used and the way to bring Lou to the 2575 01:44:42,070 --> 01:44:39,320 world without exposing much backstory 2576 01:44:44,350 --> 01:44:42,080 may have been to just say he was the 2577 01:44:46,480 --> 01:44:44,360 director of a tip but somewhere along 2578 01:44:50,110 --> 01:44:46,490 the lines the people back in the the 2579 01:44:52,540 --> 01:44:50,120 government information locations didn't 2580 01:44:54,640 --> 01:44:52,550 get the memo or somehow there honestly 2581 01:44:57,220 --> 01:44:54,650 if you really look at the wording that's 2582 01:44:58,840 --> 01:44:57,230 been in there it may be possible because 2583 01:45:00,910 --> 01:44:58,850 I made a point in this last version of 2584 01:45:04,120 --> 01:45:00,920 the paper that what they're saying and 2585 01:45:06,730 --> 01:45:04,130 what Luis saying aren't both technically 2586 01:45:08,620 --> 01:45:06,740 correct if you look at in context but if 2587 01:45:11,170 --> 01:45:08,630 he goes to ask for release of these 2588 01:45:13,870 --> 01:45:11,180 videos and you'll remember he made the 2589 01:45:15,880 --> 01:45:13,880 comment to flavor when he was when a 2590 01:45:17,430 --> 01:45:15,890 favor made as cited this in his 2591 01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:17,440 interviews where he was talking about 2592 01:45:21,730 --> 01:45:19,610 Luke came to him and said we're gonna 2593 01:45:23,950 --> 01:45:21,740 have this newspaper blast we want you to 2594 01:45:26,770 --> 01:45:23,960 do it and he's like no no no and Lou 2595 01:45:30,990 --> 01:45:26,780 told him this is what flavor said we 2596 01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:31,000 have gotten permission to reveal a tip 2597 01:45:35,200 --> 01:45:33,290 and I thought permission from whom 2598 01:45:37,060 --> 01:45:35,210 somebody obviously must have been up 2599 01:45:39,670 --> 01:45:37,070 high enough up there that knew you 2600 01:45:41,890 --> 01:45:39,680 needed to get the okay to reveal that so 2601 01:45:43,380 --> 01:45:41,900 whoever was in charge up top that's 2602 01:45:45,910 --> 01:45:43,390 giving them permission for these things 2603 01:45:49,060 --> 01:45:45,920 is that the Navy is it's somebody in a 2604 01:45:50,010 --> 01:45:49,070 special private access program the 2605 01:45:52,360 --> 01:45:50,020 Oversight Committee 2606 01:45:52,510 --> 01:45:52,370 somebody up there seems to be they have 2607 01:45:54,900 --> 01:45:52,520 to 2608 01:45:57,930 --> 01:45:54,910 get the okay on it and I have a feeling 2609 01:46:00,340 --> 01:45:57,940 whoever was letting him get these videos 2610 01:46:02,350 --> 01:46:00,350 maybe nobody expected all these letters 2611 01:46:03,670 --> 01:46:02,360 to come out later but he's getting the 2612 01:46:06,280 --> 01:46:03,680 videos and he's going to use them for 2613 01:46:08,470 --> 01:46:06,290 analysis or whatever then he immediately 2614 01:46:12,220 --> 01:46:08,480 resigned and goes to the to the stars 2615 01:46:14,760 --> 01:46:12,230 and uses them I think somebody up top 2616 01:46:17,410 --> 01:46:14,770 who had enough clout is making sure 2617 01:46:20,080 --> 01:46:17,420 nobody goes after him because he had the 2618 01:46:21,850 --> 01:46:20,090 okay to use those and he knew he was 2619 01:46:23,830 --> 01:46:21,860 gonna use them at to the stars when he 2620 01:46:27,700 --> 01:46:23,840 resigned and immediately went over to to 2621 01:46:29,800 --> 01:46:27,710 the stars and showed them on TV so and 2622 01:46:31,330 --> 01:46:29,810 Lou doesn't seem totally you just say 2623 01:46:33,370 --> 01:46:31,340 give me a minute let me make a call I'll 2624 01:46:36,700 --> 01:46:33,380 get you to somebody who can verify that 2625 01:46:38,740 --> 01:46:36,710 I work he just seems to calmly let it go 2626 01:46:40,510 --> 01:46:38,750 as though there's you're right and 2627 01:46:42,910 --> 01:46:40,520 there's no repercussions so I think this 2628 01:46:45,330 --> 01:46:42,920 whole thing was planned and to the stars 2629 01:46:47,410 --> 01:46:45,340 has got somebody behind them who's 2630 01:46:48,910 --> 01:46:47,420 watching out for them or making sure 2631 01:46:51,910 --> 01:46:48,920 they've got the budget they need or 2632 01:46:54,910 --> 01:46:51,920 whatever the original Navy or program 2633 01:46:56,650 --> 01:46:54,920 was that led to to the stars all of this 2634 01:46:57,910 --> 01:46:56,660 stuff has been okayed and that's what 2635 01:46:59,620 --> 01:46:57,920 kind of makes me think so this looks 2636 01:47:03,100 --> 01:46:59,630 like a knob you know somebody's still 2637 01:47:06,610 --> 01:47:03,110 running something out here yeah yeah 2638 01:47:08,860 --> 01:47:06,620 that's kind of a cap on on on this so 2639 01:47:13,000 --> 01:47:08,870 far I mean we're right we've got like a 2640 01:47:14,860 --> 01:47:13,010 minute left here so that's basically you 2641 01:47:18,460 --> 01:47:14,870 think it's possible that the whole thing 2642 01:47:21,070 --> 01:47:18,470 is enough I mean this is speculation I 2643 01:47:22,930 --> 01:47:21,080 think maybe it's sanctioned let's put it 2644 01:47:23,710 --> 01:47:22,940 that way these guys have wanted to do 2645 01:47:25,540 --> 01:47:23,720 something like this 2646 01:47:27,220 --> 01:47:25,550 they're brilliant people engineering 2647 01:47:29,350 --> 01:47:27,230 people they want to produce something I 2648 01:47:31,210 --> 01:47:29,360 think maybe they have you know if not an 2649 01:47:32,740 --> 01:47:31,220 angel investor they've got an angel on 2650 01:47:35,620 --> 01:47:32,750 their shoulder up atop some of this 2651 01:47:38,110 --> 01:47:35,630 larger group at the Navy or whomever who 2652 01:47:39,880 --> 01:47:38,120 wants this to finally come out but they 2653 01:47:41,470 --> 01:47:39,890 don't want to expose themselves yet so 2654 01:47:43,810 --> 01:47:41,480 they're making sure that all the wheels 2655 01:47:45,490 --> 01:47:43,820 get greased and if you don't mind 2656 01:47:48,040 --> 01:47:45,500 mentioning everybody just to reiterate I 2657 01:47:50,380 --> 01:47:48,050 didn't realize when I copied the PDF of 2658 01:47:52,630 --> 01:47:50,390 this last paper that it killed all the 2659 01:47:54,490 --> 01:47:52,640 links so like tonight I'll have all the 2660 01:47:55,780 --> 01:47:54,500 links active again and then extent we 2661 01:47:57,610 --> 01:47:55,790 get it up there so if you go back you 2662 01:47:59,230 --> 01:47:57,620 you will know I've linked to every 2663 01:48:00,670 --> 01:47:59,240 single place you can find the 2664 01:48:02,380 --> 01:48:00,680 information that I had in this paper I 2665 01:48:05,020 --> 01:48:02,390 just some college eyes I didn't realize 2666 01:48:05,260 --> 01:48:05,030 it died thanks so much we gotta go all 2667 01:48:12,740 --> 01:48:05,270 right 2668 01:48:15,290 --> 01:48:12,750 for the show and also just to let you 2669 01:48:17,810 --> 01:48:15,300 know that PDF is in the show notes and 2670 01:48:20,959 --> 01:48:17,820 that will be linked in the show also 2671 01:48:23,360 --> 01:48:20,969 will be linked in YouTube as well next 2672 01:48:25,780 --> 01:48:23,370 week we have Shane Ryan he's going to be 2673 01:48:29,570 --> 01:48:25,790 talking about the West all UFO incident 2674 01:48:32,810 --> 01:48:29,580 1966 Australian schoolyard and counter 2675 01:48:35,030 --> 01:48:32,820 thanks so much everyone and remember to 2676 01:48:50,290 --> 01:48:35,040 keep your eyes to the sky